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Old 07-14-2014, 10:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'd like to know if any of you have had a young male boxer that was aggressive toward other dogs, and if neutering him helped. My boy is getting neutered either way, but I'm really hoping it'll make him be nicer to his sister and other dogs, and wanted to hear other people's stories. Thanks!


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Old 07-14-2014, 11:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No issues with any of my males. I have had 3 male boxers. All of them where neutered at an early age. Go was the only one that acted tough on his walks but once he meet the dog he was fine. My female boxers have been a bit more bossy and jealous. Molly has issues sometimes but I correct her as soon as the behavior happens.

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I can say from first hand, stitches in the hand breaking up dog fights..uh NO! It can't hurt but don't expect a lot of change either.

Your going to have to start doing a lot of things differently,some things you need to know:
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Two or More Dogs
Leerburg | Dealing with the Dominant Dog

"If" your taking them to dog parks?? I would stop, "my" reasons are:
Your dog can be attacked (does not happen all the time) but it can and the results can be tragic!
Your dog runs around out of control with a pack of dogs and learns "you don't matter!"
Or if your dog is shy,fearful or a bully... a victim or a predator. That's trouble looking for a place to happen!

Two links:
Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea
Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

This is what I did but I found it to late to stop the problems I was having! Had I started it sooner..maybe the fights would not have happened?

Leerburg | Who Pets Your Puppy or Dog

A bit of an explanation here. Ed Farley is pretty hard core, he "appears" to be actively hostile to people that want to pet his dog! You don't have to do that! If your dog is fine with people let them pet him but...you male the intros "not the dog!" He can't be out front and pulling towards people!

Move on and ignore, you don't have to be hostile but you do have to be in charge! Move along dog nothing to see here! Works with people and works with dogs! No dog to dog intros, move alone and ignore.

I was hard core because my GSD had "people issues!" So keeping folks out of his face was best for everyone! I did the same with dogs...just say no! In the end he has no people issues or dog reactivity issues either!

And this is stunningly simple but it works very well with dogs that have "issues":
Sit on the Dog

How is he on leash? I got more if needed.

You can always hire a pro if needed but changes need to made in either case. Do whatever you need to to keep trouble from happening in the mean time!
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Nope, we aren't dog park people! He is a perfect gentlemen 98% of the time, but every once in awhile he will get a crazy look in his eye when his sister comes near, and he tries to dominate her. Luckily she is completely submissive, so no real fights...still makes me uncomfortable!


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Nope, we aren't dog park people! He is a perfect gentlemen 98% of the time, but every once in awhile he will get a crazy look in his eye when his sister comes near, and he tries to dominate her. Luckily she is completely submissive, so no real fights...still makes me uncomfortable!


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Cool so that takes out a lot of "X" factors!

So it really sounds like... you have not had any actual incidents but your not liking what your seeing?

How is he on walks any pulling or dog reactivity?
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No blood, but he pins his sister down and growls and puts his teeth down on her neck...she submits, but the minute she gets up, he will chase her around the whole yard snarling at her and snapping while she cries. It's so random too, not a daily thing...so I have no idea what is setting him off! He seems fine on walks, mostly just curious of other dogs...and anytime a bigger dog growls at him he lays down. At the vet office he's totally fine too, just wants to check everybody out! The aggressive domination of his sister is what scares me. My husband has had to pry him off of her a few times now.


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My brother's dog was very aggressive with my boy before and after he was neutered. It unfortunately didn't change his behavior at all. We had to keep them separate at all times. My brother's dog may just be neurotic though since he has started attacking other dogs. My parents and I fear that he may end up being put down because he will one day hurt someone or kill another dog. And my brother will not get him trained or see a behavioral trainer.
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No blood, but he pins his sister down and growls and puts his teeth down on her neck...she submits, but the minute she gets up, he will chase her around the whole yard snarling at her and snapping while she cries. It's so random too, not a daily thing...so I have no idea what is setting him off! He seems fine on walks, mostly just curious of other dogs...and anytime a bigger dog growls at him he lays down. At the vet office he's totally fine too, just wants to check everybody out! The aggressive domination of his sister is what scares me. My husband has had to pry him off of her a few times now.


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Yeah you have a top tier situation! He is after a pack member. Read the Leerburgh essay again to get a better understanding of what your dealing with you.

I dealt with this same situation in my household when I brought in our GSD. I never got the opportunity to correct the situation, Gunther passed away of issues unrelated to the fighting.

It's not hopeless but it is going to be hard, you might need a pro skilled in the use of an E collar but there are still things you can try!

First hopefully you won't need to do this:

Leerburg Dog Training | How to Break Up a Dog Fight Without Getting Hurt

And the reality is that some dogs will never get along! Not the way I roll but..that can sometimes be the case!

The first thing you have to do is keep the attacks from happening! Yeah I know thank you Captain Obvious!

But to that end, you can crate and rotate (if you use crates?) I never had myself...it would have made a difference in my case.

Keep a Drag leash on the offender at all times ( A short leash with no handle to get caught up on furniture). Gives you something to grab to stop an attack!

Use a muzzle if the dogs are together, I used one like this for Rocky,they do show one for a Boxer. Note the cautions, not used for walking/exercising the dog in hot weather!:
Best Fit Mesh Muzzles

Muzzle or distance from each other is the beat approach while you work on this. He can move much faster than you can react, as I'm sure you know! It takes years of experience to be able to see the signs of a fight! I had a decade of experience with dogs and was still caught flat footed! Pretty much know what to look for now!

You have to manage them to keep attacks from happening, while you work on this, if the girl keeps getting attacked you can have two dogs with problems!

You have a high level problem, here and there is no shame in calling in a pro. If he is the right one and knows what he or she is doing, they maybe able to fix this.

E collar is an option but it takes skill to use! Best source of information can be found here:
Game Chasing (Crittering)

If nothing else you can understand there use and if a trainer recommends it, you will understand how it should be done!

But it's not time to throw in the towel! Following are things I would have done when I was having this same problem, seven years ago.

First you need to reset the dog, forget how long you have had him start over! That would look like this:
I just got a rescued dog – what do I do? | stickydogblog

It will help reestablish who is in charge, a dog that understands his place in the pack, is more willing to listen to it's guardian and easier to train!


And the place command, it's concealable that this alone "might" solve the problem "if" you can get it done now??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGq_5r0DeE


And this:
Sit on the Dog
It's stunningly simple! Don't underestimate it's usefulness! Some of the pros have all there clients do it with ever dog they train!

It's especially useful for dogs that have issues! I have done it myself with a rescue and I was amazed at the difference it made!

He also needs to be excellent on leash, no pulling and forging ahead. You need to control the pace. No tight leash on walks.

So no guarantees but if "I" had this problem with a dog today, what I recommended is the course of action I would pursue!

Good luck and..keep everyone safe!
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My brother's dog was very aggressive with my boy before and after he was neutered. It unfortunately didn't change his behavior at all. We had to keep them separate at all times. My brother's dog may just be neurotic though since he has started attacking other dogs. My parents and I fear that he may end up being put down because he will one day hurt someone or kill another dog. And my brother will not get him trained or see a behavioral trainer.
So sorry, if he is unwilling to do anything?? It most likely is not going to end well.
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The thing is, my boy is an angel in the house. He is only a jerk to his sister when he's outside. I guess he feels like it's "his" territory outside and the house is mine, so he's never anything but sweet and obedient while inside. It frustrates me because I KNOW he can control his outbursts!


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