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Old 03-02-2015, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,
I come to you once again in seek of help for my boxer, Indy. She is now 15-16 months old and was problem free for quite some time up until today.
We were at the park and she had already ran around for a while by herself so she was worn down a bit. Another dog came in, also medium sized but mature. Things were fine for about 10 minutes when all of a sudden Indy started snarling (that deep boxer gurgle noise that sounds absolutely terrifying) and basically side mounted the dog. The snarling was so loud and horrifying, I couldn't believe it was coming out of her. The other dog clearly submitted to her, but Indy was not going to stop. I grabbed her off of the dog within seconds if it starting, leashed her up and left (I apologized to the owner, who wouldn't have much of it and walked off in the opposite direction).
I am so disturbed with Indy, I can barely look at her. I know that must sound horrible, but why would she just snap like that? We want to know what steps we can take to eliminate this behaviour. My girlfriend's and mines favourite time of the day is going to the dog beach or park with Indy, and now I can't trust her with another dog.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 03-02-2015, 05:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a very dominant female who I rescued when she was roughly 1.5 years. They told me at the shelter she was good with other dogs and cats, I have yet to see the good with dog part! lol She does just what your Indy does, side or rear mounts, and growls loudly and yes it can be really scarey! Ive tried her with submissive males and it's better but she still acts out, females are out of the question! Was this other dog a female or do you recall?
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Old 03-02-2015, 06:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you for your response.
I am not certain of the other dogs sex, however I assumed male. Indy has never really had an issue before this based off of gender differential. In fact I don't even think she knows the difference. She has done something like this in the past, though it was a very submissive dog flopping on the ground as soon as Indy came close, and Indy hovered over her, basically standing on her, growling/snarling. That was when she was just 6.5 months old.
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I wish I could give advice on correcting this however I am not sure it is something that is "correctable". I know female boxers are known for dominance issues. Sometimes unfortunately this results in being kicked out of doggy day cares and dog parks. Someone else might have more insight than I unfortunately do but as I said, female boxers are generally extremely dominant. Not to say there's no such thing as a submissive or neutral one either.

Generally female boxer wirh another female is A big issue

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I have two females and have never had any issue reg them fighting with each other. We rescued Roxy and she seems to have some issues with Male dogs but it has never got that bad - she just barks at them. If it's the first time I wouldn't be too freaked out. Sometimes dogs just don't like other dogs. My late Boxer loved everybody and all dog ms except our neighbors dog. If she was let loose I think she may of actually killed it by the noises she would make when she saw her. She was fine with everyone else. I would deff keep and eye on her but it may just be a one off. If it continues maybe consult with a behaviorist trainer??
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Dominant Female Boxer, I've never seen one, my girl was balanced(Struddell). Struddell was pretty much the kind of dog people hope to find in a dog park! But you would never find my girl at one!

My experience is with Dominant male dogs Bull Mastiff/APBT/Lab mix(Gunther) and Dominant Aggressive male GSD (Rocky). First dog (Gunther) was determined to be Dominate by a trainer the stitches in my hand were how "I" labeled the GSD (Rank Drive issues) that is "not" a Boxer trait. Dominate dogs have to be "managed" you do that right and you will have no or minimal problems!

First step...no more dog parks! Everytime she has a "bad encounter" your job get harder! The dogs that cause problems at dog parks can be found here:

Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

If your dog is one of the three don't take it to the dog park! If it's not one of the three...and you go to the Dog Park...now you know what dogs to look for!

And if two Dominant dos are at the dog park and they find each other...good luck with that!

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Thank you all for the input.

Chip,
I overviewed the article. Indy has never pinned, rammed or flipped a dog. She never hides (unless theres a bus, thats a work in progress). And as far as socialization goes, she has been exposed to all sorts of dogs over the first 15 months of her life.
I never see my dog happier then when we get to the dog beach (it's a couple miles long, filled with trails and open sand pits, even a large grass field). There is so much space and she generally behaves exceptionally, always listening and responding.
Like I said earlier, this has only happened twice. Once when she was 6.5 months old, and again today, just over 6 months later.
We generally frequent the beach or park 3+ times a week, and have been doing so for nearly a year.
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Ok...your not getting it.

Full disclosure, if you look at my stats, you'll see most of my post are in the aggression and training thread. If you look me up on the GSD forum... same deal. I pretty much tell it like it is! Cookies and a clicker are not going to fix this...proper management will! First step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one! True in life true with dogs!

That being said, I am not on here to insult anyone! All I care about is what's best for the dog at hand, in most cases that works out well for the dogs person!

That being said...you're conflating all the behaviours into one thing. They are three separate dogs with three separate issues.

Dogs don't have thumbs they can't write letters, they send signals and it's our job to catch those signals! Your female dog mounted another dog, you can't get any clearer than that! You do indeed have a Dominant dog!

Had the other dog owner heeded my advise, she would have picked up on your dogs signals and got her dog out of their before her dog was attacked!

So.. she may be on boards now looking up "my dog was attacked at a dog park and he/she is... a)scared of other dogs b) wants to attack other dogs or c) now dog reactive on leash. "This" is a very common way that happens.

My Dominant Aggressive male GSD has been to the dog park for "proofing" after a lot of work first. Some my have seen dogs like this. They are the dogs that follow behind their owners, loose dogs run up to them sniff and get "zero" response from these dogs and the other dogs move on. The other dogs know..something is different about "this dog?"Oh well, I'll go back to ignoring "my owner."

That is how "responsible/knowledgeable" people deal with dominant dogs, you won't find many folks like me there. We don't need stitches, we don't want to cause problems for other folks and there dogs. Most folks that spend time and/or money on training our dogs and we don't want to make them available as other peoples chew toys!

But hey I'm not an expert so here is what someone who is has to say about dog parks:
Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea

"Everyone" is free to keep doing what they are doing in regards to dog parks but now you know!

Oh and can't forget this don't want people getting hurt:
http://leerburg.com/dogfight.htm
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I wish I could say that I have a boxer that loves every dog. Sadly, no matter how much effort this is not the case.

70% of the time he LOVES the new dog and will play..the other 30%..Fight.

I have learned that I need to be mindful of situations. I have to recognize that " oh..this could be a problem" and try and prevent potential fights.

Kona doesn't do well in groups of more than 3. The dog park in a NO!! I have to watch other approaching dogs and their body language as well as Kona's. He is great will all females and non dominant males.

At first I would get so upset because he is such a great dog and I wanted him to get along with everyone. I realized that by putting him in certain situations is setting him up for failure and thus, increasing the problem.

I know that noting I said really helps but just wanted to let you know that you are not alone in your frustration.
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I hav heard that it's more of a female thing. Im no expert but i have had two female Boxers. One Gouda I raised from a pup, Kippah who I got as a rescue she was about 1.5 years. Both of them acted exactly the same with other dogs. Basically wanting to rip their throats out! Kippah I feel is much more dominant then Gouda was. Strangely Kippah is extremely submissive to people, she even pees sometimes when she meets them. But with a dog its the complete opposite. I recently had a foster Mom bring her young submissive male Boxer over to see if he was a possible match for Kippah. At first it was on(Kippahs part not his). We had them on leashes in my big fenced yard for 15 or more mins. Then we let them off leash but dragging their leashes in case of trouble. Kippah right away mounted him from the side and rear, hackles up low growls. He responded appropriately and after a while she was a bit calmer. I hadnt given the new dog any attention at this point. They walked around the yard and seemed OK I was hopeful but I wasnt holding my breath. I called Odin over and got down on my knees and spoke to him. Well that was a mistake because Kippah went right after him and thankfully we got them apart with no blood shed. I was so sad and felt that was it no pal for Kippah. We said our goodbyes with the dogs on leashes in the house and Kippah started play bowing and wrestling a bit on the floor with him. It was confusing to me. But I really think it would take a heck of a lot of work to over come this problem with Kippah. Im not sure I would ever trust her completely.
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