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Old 08-08-2015, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Aggression, dominance or adolescence - help?

Hi. Clay is a male boxer now 12 months old. Very good, obedient, we trained him and socialized him a lot from when he was little. He was always very good and played with all dogs no problem - until 3 weeks ago. Since then we had several incidents where he "attacks" another dog, always male and always close to his age, attemlts to dominate and growls with a voice from hell! I pull him away and let him know this is wrong, let him calm down for about 10 minutes and when I release him he again does the same thing and seems to be laser guided to the same dog. It has now become a problem to let him play with other dogs. My concern is: is he aggressive and will remain that way, is it a boxer thing, male thing, should I keep driving him into these situations and correct him or just avoid, will he grow out of it, should we desensitize him to other dogs and how? I guess this is a pretty common issue but in all topics on the forum I haven't found a situation where the dog really seems to be fixated on other males of same age. Please help!
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Old 08-08-2015, 03:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My guy has fear agression issues. I'd suggest you contact a trainer that specializes in it and see if they can help.
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Sigh...and here I go again!

I'd suggest you "stop" going to Dog Parks! Teach your dog to ignore other dogs and enjoy your dog. He does not need "doggy" friends all he needs is "You!"

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The bottom two links are Dog Park specific. Additionally see here:
Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

The dogs people "hope" and "expect" to see at a Dog Park are dogs like my "Struddel" was. A "balanced dog" they don't look for trouble and they don't back down. But you would not find her at a Dog Park! A dog comes after my girl and that is a Dog and Owner combo that is going to have to deal with me! Once I got "said" dog out of my girls face!

LE "would" be involved! I don't need the hassle so I stayed well clear of Dog Parks! It was best for everyone! Your well on the path to be dealing with this:

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This is not about "Prong Collars" I use a Slip lead leash myself, just showing you where you are headed if you don't make changes!
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I agree with Chip. Rocco just does not do well with other dogs and no amount of training has ever snapped him out of it. He is my dog (and my family's) and we are enough for him.

BTW - I hate dog parks and I hate public dog areas in general. And not because my dog is aggressive. It is because most people assume their dogs are "friendly" and let them roam off leash. My dog is leashed. Bad combo. How can I tell your dog is friendly when it is running full speed at me with teeth bared!!!

Check out Yellow Dog Project.

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I also agree. I've never been one for public dog parks or any park for that matter to let my dog run off leash. Not because my dogs are ill behaved, though they can be at times.... I don't trust others dogs. A friend of mine has a young golden doodle I now have a 3 inch cut in my arm which probably could have used one of those bandaids to pull it closer together. Dog isn't aggressive at all just so excited and jump up and its nail got caught in my arm (guess I will have to face that I am getting old peoples thin skin.) :/
Any dogs are in reality dog and you can never totally trust how they will react. I probably shouldn't but when I walk my 3 little dogs I tell people to stay away they are not friendly. I don't want other dogs in their face or mine for that matter.
I would just protect your dog from other dogs, if walking put him in a sit or down and make him stay put until they pass. He will eventually learn to do this. Kai is almost 11 months old. He wants to play with everyone or any dog but we don't allow it. Most people with other dogs when walking want to let their dogs come up to him, but we just say sorry he is in training and put him in a down and he must remain there while we chat or until they move on. I'm not sure if this is good or bad but it works for us.
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Thanks everyone for your inputs.
Well ... I agree about the dog park point - even when he was getting along with everyone and had no problems since he was a puppy we only ever visited a dog park (or dog field in our case) I woukd say less than 10% of time. Most of the time we spent on structured walks, playing catch, training etc.
Off course I would like to teach him to be a polite and well mannered dog for the times I do let him run and play in the dog park but this is something definitely further down the road.
My problem now is that where we live there isn't a real fenced dog park - it is a big field with a lot of dogs there and it is the only place I can let him run off leash on a daily basis (we live in a flat) - means I cannot avoid other dogs coming up to us or him trying to get to the other side of the field to play.

I loved the point about teaching him to ignore other dogs - can someone share some tips how to do it ie how to practice (making him hold a down stay as suggested while the other dog passes seems like a nice way of doing that)?

Another point for discussion ... If I now stop exposing him to other dogs instead of trying to teach him how to behave nicely around them - am I not just avoiding the problem I should be trying to solve while he is still learning how to deal with the world?

Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts - I do appreciate it very much!
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For me I just wouldn't give him off lead time as he isn't trustworthy. You could end up with a huge vet bill should he get into an actual fight with another dog. Here we have a leash law and our dogs must be on a leash with the only exception being a dog park that is enclosed.
While walking I would keep him focused on you. Teach him to sit, or down, stay whatever works for you. You could also give him the "leave it" or watch me command. Have a high value treat. You give him something else to focus on other than the passing dog. It will take time. As for being off leash with other dogs, that may never happen but at least you will be able to walk or run with your dogs attention on you. You are all he needs was some sound advise others offered.
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I agree with Chip. Rocco just does not do well with other dogs and no amount of training has ever snapped him out of it. He is my dog (and my family's) and we are enough for him.
Yep everyone seems to "assume" there dogs "need" to go to Dog Parks?? I guess Dog Parks keep trainers in business "fixing" owner created issues by having there dogs attacked?? So I guess Dog Parkers works out well for them!

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BTW - I hate dog parks and I hate public dog areas in general. And not because my dog is aggressive. It is because most people assume their dogs are "friendly" and let them roam off leash. My dog is leashed. Bad combo. How can I tell your dog is friendly when it is running full speed at me with teeth bared!!!
Yep and they often shout "is your dog friendly as there out of control cur barges towards your dog! I heard that one a couple weeks ago! Rocky off leash, stepped from behind me to beside me to see what the fuss was!! No harm done but I was not happy with the dog the owner or Rocky! On leash he would not have done that. Off leash curiousity took over! Roc was cool as could be with a "massive" (aren't they all) pitt mix in his face! He smiled and the dog backed down!

But in 15 years that was as close as an unknown dog ever got to one of mine! Daddy was not happy!

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That's an interesting project. The only "problem" with it as I see it, is that depends on people whose dogs should not be at a Dog Park in the first place...acting responsibly.

The owners of "poor" K9 citizens should have their dogs tagged with a Red ribbon! But that's not gonna happen!

As I see it, that project is striving to shift the onus of an owner, "protecting their dog," onto the backs of those least likely to do so!

"There" dog's poor behaviour is not "there" problem, it's "your" problem, is the mindset!

Dog Parks are like buying a ticket for a ride at a carnival, you take your chances! I'm not willing to expose my guys to other people's ill-behaved "cur's! If a dog comes after mine, that dog has to get by me first! If that happens and that dog gets to mine, I will get that dog off mine and go after the owner! At that point their dog's behaviour "is" now, there problem!!

I know this, about myself so I don't do Dog Parks but some owners just as zealous are wrapped too tight:

Federal Officer Shoots Dog | Federal police officer shot dog in Arundel park - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

It was awhile ago but Bear.Bear is still dead.

Dogs aren't the only danger at Dog Parks!
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I also agree. I've never been one for public dog parks or any park for that matter to let my dog run off leash. Not because my dogs are ill behaved, though they can be at times.... I don't trust others dogs. A friend of mine has a young golden doodle I now have a 3 inch cut in my arm which probably could have used one of those bandaids to pull it closer together. Dog isn't aggressive at all just so excited and jump up and its nail got caught in my arm (guess I will have to face that I am getting old peoples thin skin.) :/
Any dogs are in reality dog and you can never totally trust how they will react. I probably shouldn't but when I walk my 3 little dogs I tell people to stay away they are not friendly. I don't want other dogs in their face or mine for that matter.
I would just protect your dog from other dogs, if walking put him in a sit or down and make him stay put until they pass. He will eventually learn to do this. Kai is almost 11 months old. He wants to play with everyone or any dog but we don't allow it. Most people with other dogs when walking want to let their dogs come up to him, but we just say sorry he is in training and put him in a down and he must remain there while we chat or until they move on. I'm not sure if this is good or bad but it works for us.
WOW, I used to be out here alone on this point of view or so I thought?? Nice to have "company!"
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WOW, I used to be out here alone on this point of view or so I thought?? Nice to have "company!"

Yes Chip, I've always been this way. I love dogs...my dogs...I may like your dog but I don't want him in my space, unless I invite him. I expect my dog to act the same and not get in other peoples space. My daughter I am still teaching, she was of the mind set Oh oh oh lok at my dog..don't you love him....LOL she is learning.
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