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Old 11-15-2012, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question A couple of concerns/questions

Ok I have a couple of concerns/questions:

1) When my husband is on afternoon shift Duke is crated from about 2-2:15 to about 5-5:15 when I get home ~ only about 3 hours. When me and the girls get home he is very excited. I understand this is normal but it seems to be getting progressively worse. He works himself up into this frenzy to the point where he's panting like he just ran for miles and all the while he's wiggling, jumping and licking. It takes me about 5 minutes to settle him down. Yesterday he scratched my eldest on the chest and my youngest on the thigh. What concerns me most is the panting. Is this normal because he's so excited or not? Our GSD never did this but he was an outdoor dog and not crated.

2) He has been nipping at our hands more lately, especially at my kids. What can I do to get them to get him to stop without intervening myself? My youngest is pretty good at giving commands and I think he listens to her more than my oldest. My oldest will just stand there like a dummy saying nothing to Duke and whining about it. I guess I have to train her! lol

3) We've had Duke for 8 weeks now and it seems like his obsession with our cat is getting stronger! He won't immediately chase the cat but he'll walk up and start stomping his front paws on the ground and whining until the cat runs away and then the chase is on! Duke sounds like he's on speed (or some other drug that makes you hyper) when this happens and he is chasing. He whines, cries and is just out of control! Once he reaches that point, he will not listen, I have to physically restrain him. Should I leash him to me when we have the cat out and about? Will this help or make things worse? I'm growing tired of keeping them separated and the poor cat is feeling lonely. I know this because he is normally quite skiddish but he will meow at the basement door and come out when I open it even if Duke is standing right there. So I'm thinking his need for affection is overriding his fear at this point. If I could just get Duke to stop provoking him and chasing him, I think it will be ok. Help please!
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Pheona & Murphy both go nuts when hub comes in (after PT..gone maybe 1.5 hours, at lunch..gone maybe 2.5 hours & then after work..3 to 3.5 hours and when the boys come in..they've been gone about 8 hours). They wiggle around them, jump a little but they give commands to stop & when the girls see they aren't leaving right away they calm down. Never had the biting deal. Our cat will mainly sit on the dining room chair that is hers (table for 6 & only 5 chairs get used regularly), Murphy will whine & jump up but the cat swats her & last night I think she bit her (the cat is declawed) cause Murphy let out a yelp. We have the laundry room gated off as that is where the cat food & litter is so the cat can hop the gate to get away from the dogs (Pheona doesn't really bother her anymore). We tell Murphy to "leave it" when she starts at the cat & get her distracted with a toy or a treat when she does actually "leave it". I hope Duke gets better for you.
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Maybe I should just start drinking heavily and then none of this stuff would bother me. lol
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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For starters.... its the age; it'll pass.

1- when you get home and he gets that excited I would suggest doing what cesar does: No touch, no talk, no eye contact. Until he settles down, he does not get any sort of attention what-so-ever. You have to be super diligent with this, otherwise it's just going to get worse. He loves you guys and is genuinly excited to see you but to the point of it being too much. So tell the kids to ignore him. If he jumps up. Turn your back to him and walk away. If he starts whining, don't say anything: just ignore him. When he settles, and stops whining, barking, jumping and pacing; basically when he calms down then you can give him attention. They're very smart, he'll pick up on it fast that if he acts like a crazy fool he doesn't get any attention.

2- The cat: I would throw a leash on Duke so that the cat can have some attention too. I think it's making it worse by keeping them separated. Do you have a saying, phrase or word that you say when you don't agree with the behaviour that he is doing? I use 'eh' or 'tsst' with Bos. Everytime he makes an attempt to get to the cat, give a sharp correction with the leash and say the word. Make sure you make your correction to the side and not over top of him...so don't strangle him. You just want something to divert his attention back to you so you can tell him to leave it alone. Have you done any obedience training with him? 'Leave it' is a great command to teach.

Hope this helps. It's what I did with Bosley. He has a very high prey drive and I have two birds that are out constantly. I started out with him not even allowed to look at the birds if I didn't say it was ok. To get him to not chase them when they fly, I taught him down. So he now automatically lays down when they fly around. Same thing with our friends cat. We're there quite often and bring Bos all the time. Same idea with the cat as the birds. It takes time and patience but Duke should come around. Bosley is fine with small animals inside the house, but outside is still too hard. He will go nuts trying to get a cat if he's outside....
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks Valerie. Yes I have to remember and I keep reminding the kids that even though he's a big boy, he's still only 5 months old and very much a puppy!

1) I'm actually trying to do this but it's hard with the kids. I have to get on them for this. We tell him no and try to get him to sit but that's just giving him attention even if it is negative attention. We'll try the no touch, no talk, no eye contact. I have to drill it into the kids. Thanks!

2) Looks like I'll have to leash him in the house for now when the cat is out. I'm going to start in small increments! To get his attention we normally say "Hey!" or if we're close enough we'll pinch his bum or lightly smack it. We're working on "leave it" and no we haven't enrolled him in training yet. It's on our list but we haven't had time to. It's especially difficult with my husband working weekly rotating shifts! But I know it is something we have to do.

I just don't want him getting out of control! lol He is a good boy though and I know he can get it. We just have to work with him and be patient. lol Easier said than done sometimes! thanks again
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the ignoring thing works great we used to get mugged by the whole pack when we came in the house did this for 1 week never had to do it since yes the kids need to be part of this explain how important it is that they all try this for 2 weeks (dont count on his "getting" it in a week ) the nibbling on the hands thing needs to be a no no too if he refuses to quit put bitters (the kind you get for a bar at the liquor store) on your hands they HATE the taste of it usually only takes 2-4 trys and he will Quit doing it do wash your hands before you eat anything with them if you have it on you it is really bitter stuff!! I used it to get my thumb sucker(my son when he was young) to quit worked for that too
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Thank you Carol! If we can't get him to stop just by not allowing it. Hubby likes to play rough with him so I think that's why Duke thinks it's OK to do. I told hubby he has to put a stop to it because Duke doesn't know the difference and is starting to "play" with the kids this way and I don't like it. Our neighbour that comes to walk Duke when hubby is working day shift was also doing this (the rough play) so I told hubby to make sure he knows what is going on and will cooperate or it will make things much more difficult for us.
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Thank you Carol! If we can't get him to stop just by not allowing it. Hubby likes to play rough with him so I think that's why Duke thinks it's OK to do. I told hubby he has to put a stop to it because Duke doesn't know the difference and is starting to "play" with the kids this way and I don't like it. Our neighbour that comes to walk Duke when hubby is working day shift was also doing this (the rough play) so I told hubby to make sure he knows what is going on and will cooperate or it will make things much more difficult for us.
he is still young he will learn the difference between play and chewing on people mine even know how each person plays with them Bobby and Cassie encourage the rough stuff and play that way with them including a foot chase game that drives me nuts to even watch but they know momma only plays with toys and the tug rope and dont try the rough stuff with me
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1. I try to ignore Wyatt or make him sit before I will greet and pet him. Might work.

2. As for the biting, Wyatt gets in a "biting" mood as well, but I noticed its when he's "excited" and "in the mood". I try as best as possible to redirect it. I've even turned my back and have walked away. I believe on Monday I did bite him back ( top of the neck, where a mother would carry her baby). I don't think he liked it bc he pretty much didn't bother me the rest ofthe night at all!

3. As far as the cat goes, can't tell you but we have a 11 + yr old min pin, the same size or smaller than a cat and she's a b!tch!!!! They pretty much don't bother each other anymore. We sometimes leash Wyatt while penny eats so he isn't sniffing down her back...

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I guess he will learn... but Sarah (my oldest) gets a little bit anxious and scared when he starts nibbling at her, and I don't know what it is about her, but sometimes he just keeps going at her. I guess she has to learn to be more authoritative with him. She'll sort of just stand or sit there and squeal instead of telling him no and to stop it. And even when she does tell him to stop it, sometimes he won't! lol He's getting bigger now so his rough housing can cause some collateral damage.
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