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Old 06-30-2014, 11:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever experienced their male dogs being more aggressive when you (female owner) around? I can count on four occasions where our dogs have gotten into fights (each when I was present). My boyfriend swears that they are never like that when he is around. I am assuming that it's because they see him as the pack leader. I am just lost with what to do. They are both great dogs. They like each other more than they dislike each other. It's just, I hate putting them in a situation to feel they need to be aggressive. It seems that the fights usually break out when the older dog feels threatened. An example was yesterday at the dog park there were two German Shepherds about to enter the park (Mind you, our two dogs were the only two there at the time. The older dog isn't socialized that well, so we were planning to leave since we saw people coming)... anyway, the Shepherds were barking and showing aggressive signs, so the older of our dogs (3 years) went to the fence and started demonstrating the same behaviors... the younger of our dogs (8 months) went right over to check out the commotion. As this happen, the older of our dogs snapped on the younger. I am thinking perhaps he got too close as the older was in a position to feel threatened. The 8 month old is 60 pounds and won't back down when provoked. So, their fighting is becoming worse. Do you think the dogs are still in the stage were they are fighting for dominance, or could it be perhaps protection?
maybe I should give another example.
One day I had both of them laying down at the park. The older has a bad habit of biting on his leash. The younger got to close to him while he was "protective" of his leash, and he snapped at the younger.
Background: Both dogs live at my boyfriend's house. The younger dog is mine, the older is his. Prior to my boxer living there, there was a pitbull when one roommate had lived there. When he moved out, the other roommate got a German Shepherd. After a year or so had past, we got my boxer. The pit bull or the german shepherd never had this issue with the older one. I am beginning to think, being that I am the girlfriend, that the older dog feels he needs to protect me too. Could this be causing their fighting? I plan to seek professional help, but I wanted to know if anyone else shared a similar experience.
Also, we recently (almost 3 weeks ago) got both dogs neutered to see if this would help the situation.
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Old 06-30-2014, 12:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Unless there is something else that isn't included in your post.. I would guess the action is not out of "protection" for you.
It could just be they know your not in control and are taking advantage of the situation
Your second example sounds more like resource guarding.

It sounds like both need to have a bit of foundation training.
Leaving the dog parks for a a while (or forever ) and working on building a strong relationship through training with your dogs.
That will clear up a lot of the problems.
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Yeah, my dog (the younger) is great at the dog park. He has been socialized well. It's the other dog who hasn't been socialized. We don't want to give up on him just yet. However, after this weekend we've decided he may not be best to bring out anymore.
Thanks for your input.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you isolate him it will only make him worse.
He need structured interaction. You can't get that at a dog park.
Try and find a good trainer locally that does group classes.
That would be a good way to work on his problems under supervision.
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As others have stated, your first and best course of action...stop taking them to the Dog Park! Two main problems, one your dog can get attacked and two behavioral issues developing because of owners lack of control at a dog park!

Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea this essay pretty much says it all. And most likely your dog is one of theses three?
Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

More than one dog... two dogs are "usually" not a problem but for you they seem to be? Basic stuff you need to know:
https://suite.io/adrienne-farricelli/2t5h2q5
Leerburg | Dealing with the Dominant Dog
Stop Boxer Dog Aggression

You need to establish a better relationship with this dog! Sometimes simple is the way to go! :
Sit on the Dog

I never needed to do this with my personnel dogs but at a Boxers and Buddies rescue day I did use it in rough form with one of the guys with "fear" issues. I was stunned at how much the dogs behavior changed!

Do the "sit on dog thing" and "Stop" going to the dog parks and if you still need a trainer...there job will be made much easier!
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You need to establish a better relationship with this dog! Sometimes simple is the way to go! :
Sit on the Dog

I never needed to do this with my personnel dogs but at a Boxers and Buddies rescue day I did use it in rough form with one of the guys with "fear" issues. I was stunned at how much the dogs behavior changed!

Do the "sit on dog thing" and "Stop" going to the dog parks and if you still need a trainer...there job will be made much easier!
Oops sorry I meant to "suggest" that you might find value in the "Sit on Dog thing!"

The Dog Park I still just say no! You have one dog with problems the first guy keeps redirecting to his buddy...you could easily have "two dogs" with problems!
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Also, are either of them neutered?
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Also, are either of them neutered?
Last sentence, just neutered, three weeks ago.
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I've never understood people using "catchphrase" type wording to describe a pretty simple exercise. I guess if it brings someone business... but still.
Example: "sit on the dog" ?!?!
I had to click on the link just to understand what it meant.
When in reality if you say " practice duration down stay" most people are going to understand whats meant without having to click a link.
Don't get me wrong.. it's not a shot a you chip18, I know your just linking to a prior post. It's just a pet peeve of mine.
Another version of "sit on the dog" is called "calm on command" by a popular trainer.

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I've never understood people using "catchphrase" type wording to describe a pretty simple exercise. I guess if it brings someone business... but still.
Example: "sit on the dog" ?!?!
I had to click on the link just to understand what it meant.
When in reality if you say " practice duration down stay" most people are going to understand whats meant without having to click a link.
Don't get me wrong.. it's not a shot a you chip18, I know your just linking to a prior post. It's just a pet peeve of mine.
Another version of "sit on the dog" is called "calm on command" by a popular trainer.
No problem it was new to me. It's not a down stay and it's not a place command.

Those are separate commands, I just found this today and this is what it looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2WgOZUebnY
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