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#1 ·
Hi guys! Long time no see! I have zero idea as to if this is in the wrong section or not.

I had to vent here after seeing something on Facebook for a while. I had been biting my tongue but I have to say something and you all are likely the only ones to understand.

There is a member from here that has been posting a lot on a boxer facebook group that I am also a member of. This memeber posted about her 1 year 2 month old female having a litter very soon. I was incredibly annoyed because I know this person has access to the valuable breeding knowledge on this site. After doing some more snooping, I found that this person also has a litter from her other female from 5 months ago. This female is one month younger than my Echo, so she was also 1 year and 2 months old when she had ber litter.

This person hides the breeding while on this forum, and hides the ages of her females on facebook. Most of the members of the group on facebook are also against byb and for OFFA health testing, which this person is obviously not doing.

I am just frustrated that someone knows what what she is doing is not right, because she has all the knowledge and resources, but just doesn't care. It makes me sick to see her posts.

Anyway, if this vent is not allowed, feel free to delete it.
 
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#5 ·
Why should it be a concern for you, or why even let it bother you? It is her dogs, if she wants to breed them, or not, it is her choice. Life is too short to be worrying about someone else's dogs, unless they are posing a direct threat to you, your dogs, or your property.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Of course it matters!

We try to educate people on this forum why it is important to only support and promote breeders who take the time to do right by the breed through thorough health testing etc.

Any member of this forum has access to all this valuable information! If they then choose to ignore this info, they are doing a disservice to our breed and quite frankly should no longer be members here.

Breeding dogs to early is physically and emotionally hard on them. Breeding dogs prior to health testing is reckless and unethical.

This member (and I'm pretty sure who it is) has chosen to ignore the information available and taking the easy route to continue becoming a BYB. The are doing nothing for our breed, they are only profiting off of their dogs.
 
#11 ·
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#16 ·
Part of our rules:

Breeding and Breeders:

a) Boxer Forums does not encourage or support unethical or irresponsible breeding of boxers. We will support ethical responsible breeders and provide a forum in which questions and concerns can be discussed. Discussion or promotion of breeding practices that would be determined by most to be unethical or irresponsible are prohibited. Examples of unethical or irresponsible breeding include, but are not limited to: breeding white boxers; breeding young untested dogs under the age of 2; and breeding for any purpose other than to improve the breed and/or your line. If you post about breeding your dog(s) be prepared to answer questions about health testing, temperament, conformation, and reason for breeding.

b) Photos, links, or announcements to kennels or litters are prohibited unless you followed ethical breeding guidelines and can prove your dogs are of age, health tested, and adhere to the breed standard.

c) Backyard breeders (BYB) and commercial breeders are not welcome.

d) No offering stud service or looking for stud service is allowed.
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If this member is posting about breeding here I would like to know who it is. She needs to be reminded of our rules.

As for any members who think it is not our business: In the world at large it is not. However, on our forum it is. We are here because we think highly of the breed and would like to ensure that breeding is ethical and there is health testing. There is a reason our breed has a high incidence of problems and poor breeding is a main contributing factor. As any good breeder will tell you: They are not in it for the money. Breeding healthy, tested Boxers is an expensive proposition.

On a personal note: I am the owner of a Boxer who came from a breeder who did not sufficiently test. My Rocco has an arrhythmia due to this. Knowing what I do now I would not have purchased my pup from this breeder.
 
#17 ·
I am TIRED of hearing stories of Boxers dying at young ages. Boxers I have owned, and friends of mine with boxers that were from breeders that health tested and practiced responsible breeding HAVE lived longer lives.
I have no patience for those who do not have passion for this breed, and breed for financial gain with little regard for the standard and health of the breed. I will make it my business all day to bring light to those who do not feel the same way and so should anyone on this site. Our breed is suffering because of the popularity of the breed and those who wish to capitalize on that popularity for monetary purposes.
 
#18 ·
I hate to say it, but you pay for what you get. Get a cheap boxer, may have issues that was BYB. Get a more expensive one with a proven genealogy, health test, people that know what they are doing - well, you get what you paid for.

I know there is one premier breeder that even goes as far as giving a 3 year guarantee on the Boxer's health.
 
#19 ·
Yes, good breeding and health testing are very important. I learned that here as well.

Look what happened to the poor Dalmatians after the Disney movie. Now who suffers? The dogs of course! Overbreeding and irresponsible breeding ruined them. It's been over 50 years since the movie was released and it may take another 50 years to repair the damage it did to that breed.
 
#20 ·
I believe this issue can be solved by The AKC and other governing bodies. This can be reduced by them requiring DNA testing, mandatory health testing of breeding pair as a requirement before a litter can be registered, minimum age of Dam and finally a DNA submission by the owner of a pup upon submission of application. I do not see any logical reason to oppose such things. The AKC says it is opposed to BYB yet does not implement changes that will vastly reduce the practices of BYB.

I am not for government intervention in people's lives but these are private groups that we volunteer to be tied to through our pets so I say its time for a change.
 
#21 ·
I believe this issue can be solved by The AKC and other governing bodies. This can be reduced by them requiring DNA testing, mandatory health testing of breeding pair as a requirement before a litter can be registered, minimum age of Dam and finally a DNA submission by the owner of a pup upon submission of application. I do not see any logical reason to oppose such things. The AKC says it is opposed to BYB yet does not implement changes that will vastly reduce the practices of BYB.
Sounds good but the problem with this approach is JQP does not really care about papers! "We" go to the newspaper or Craigslist to find a dog! A lot of members land here when they have health problems with there dogs. "We" only understand after the fact what we did "wrong!" :)

I am not for government intervention in people's lives but these are private groups that we volunteer to be tied to through our pets so I say its time for a change.
Government as it happens would actually be the best bet to put a stop to uncontrolled, untested dogs breeding! California, has a "lemond dog" law! I don't recall the details? But in my view a $500 tax on non health tested parents, would put a stop to breeding by JQP real quick!

You show that your breeding pair have been tested...you don't pay the tax! You don't have records, you pay the tax. You can't advertise your pups for sale in papers or online "Craigslist" unless you show those records first!

Doubt it would happen but it could be done. :)
 
#24 ·
Oh, yeah, that is what we need - more taxes! Yeah! :clap2::clap2::clap2:

How, about just educating the public more of what to be aware of when buying a puppy?

But, people have been getting puppy dogs for years from their friends, family, neighbors. So be it.

But, a wise person if they are going to shel out big dollars for a pup, would do their due diligence and research. I know Mr. Hank has a documented European boxer linage going back around 6 generations. And no health issues with the parents.

(I was getting worried when they said Mr. Hank had a heart murmur, but that seems to have disappeared now. :clap2:)

Now, in terms of select breeding, I am more concerned about the human population, considering down the street there is a HUD apartment complex full of Baby's mommas with multiple kids running around, with no fathers in sight.
 
#26 ·
I agree with all of what you wrote. However, those names on the pedigree are not guaranteed to actually be dogs in the line. I am for changing the operating policies of the governing bodies, not more fees or imposed taxes for non-compliance. The aim of the changes is not for the consumer, it is to minimize the BYB and breeders for monetary gain by adding checks or safeguards in the form of mandated health testing and DNA submission. That way, those European lines you are paying all that money for are indeed the pedigree you are being sold. Above all else, the well being of the breed will improve.
 
#25 ·
Well I'm on the wall with this one...There are and have been some very good hobby breeders. They usually test their dogs and have a litter a year. Unfortunately there are also those who just breed their dogs because they think their particular dog is "all that". and there are many who still breed pitfalls, I think because they look tough or still for fighting.
I feel the best route is to educate people. I'm just so tired of government taking over telling me what is right for me, what I can eat, that I need tower a bicycle helmet, when at least in this state you don't need one for riding a motorbike. (not sure if that changed yet). People need to get smart or pay the consequence. I grew up in a different world, no seat belts, I could walk to school, (now you can't if there are no sidewalks). I don't see the world a better place because of rule & regulations. I like that I can make my own decisions and if I make the wrong ones, so be it..so far I haven't I had family that taught us.
 
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