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Old 02-09-2017, 12:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm sure most if not all of you here are against puppy mills and find them to be one of the worst possible outcomes for a dog/dogs life.

How many of you have ended up with a puppy mill reject?
Did your pup adjust to "normalcy" well or was it a rocky road?

About a year and a half ago we ended up with a puppy mill reject. An acquaintance that I'd told NOT to get a boxer due to life circumstances called me with "I got a boxer, I can't handle this dog will you take her?"
We already had 2 pups at the time, 1 boxer and 1 doodle and are very well versed in dog behaviors and training. So we took her in.

We got her home and found within 48 hours it wasn't just a training issue with this pup, she had severe separation anxiety. This girl was sold by a puppy store (eye roll here...we all know where they get their dogs) as a full bred boxer. It was crystal clear that she either wasn't full boxer or was extremely poorly bred.

We have literally done everything one could do to help a dog with separation anxiety. This isn't the "makes a mess when you leave" type either. This is, urination, destruction and full on panic mode type. In a crate, she chews the inside so much we get home to it full of blood, urine and saliva. If you are a male and come home to find the mess (we now have a sitter when we go out) she goes straight to fear aggression and begins urinating herself. It is horribly sad to see.
The only thing that has helped was acupuncture...which was farfetched but hey it worked. But if thats not kept up on, she goes right back to panic mess.

I know that this girl is not right in the head, and its awful knowing that someone was so greedy and irresponsible would allow this to happen. In any other home, she would have either ended up at a pound or sent over the rainbow bridge. She is a very tough pup.

I guess I'm posting because I'd like to know how many others have ended up with tough situations like this. I would also like to hear stories from others.

I attached a pic of my pack for all to see. She's lucky she's cute.
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would look into Bowen therapy for her as well as placing an essential oil diffuser in her space. You can also apply EO direct to her coat
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What is Bowen therapy? I don't know if I've heard of that.

As for diffusers we've already tried and it unfortunately didn't do much for her case.
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Hmmm, interestingly enough my neighbor who I "advised" also not to get a second dog (a Boxer) ... he got her anyway and she looks ... just like that???

He already had one dog who he does not ie can't walk, he's on Oxygen and I knew that dog would be a "Backyard" only dog!! But I suppose he ducked your issue as he is retired so he's always home. I visit them on occasion and the dog seems happy enough.

Honestly, you "should have done a "two week shutdown" and the dog should have been "Crate Trained" and taught to settle in the "Crate" or there will be "Consequences!" But before even starting ... I'll let it go and post this instead on the Crate thing as suggested by another member. Not necessarily the way I'd go but couldn't hurt.
The Second Hand Dogs: Playing Crate Games

Moving beyond the "Crate" you "might" be able to overcome "the crap behaviour" by going back to basics. Yes poor breeding, bad gene,s etc etc doesn't matter "now" what's is done if you plan to keep her and if you don't??? What you need to do now ... is "Work with the Dog in Front of You!"

If you do that ... "you" just might be able to overcome the "S/A" without addressing it directly ... I don't know??? But assuming I was going to take a "different and simpler method???"

I'd start by "Walking this dog only" one on one time with you is important! A proper structured walk helps you to build a "Bond of Trust" with a dog.

I don't know if the dog walks well on leash or has people or other dogs "issues" if she does ... no problem I can help with those. Hmmm OK I'll add no dog on the street meet and greets and Dog Parks! You don't want to add to her issues!

And "Sit on the Dog" and "Train the Place Command." Those two are very important and are pretty much SOP for serious trainers that can actually help people with "Serious Issues." They help to train "Calmness into a dog."

Near as I can tell, those two are all explained in this thread. :
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Aww heck ... one more "baby thread" it's important ... see here on the "Walking Thing," "Who Pets my Puppy or Dog" and "Five Golden Rules ..."
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Stuff you should know before you get out there with the walk thing. Good luck and thank You for rescuing her.
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Chip, I greatly appreciate your advice and I agree 100% that crate training should be the first step. We tried everything one could think of to get her to relax in the crate. We have the belief that the whole puppymill problem probably made crates traumatic.

We had to beg a trainer to come out to our home (4 different trainers said there was nothing they could do) he came out, observed us, how we operate and to see what she did/didn't know. (We've had this dog almost 2 years) unfortunately he felt (as did the trainers who wouldn't come) that we had done everything one could do to fix this issue with her.

Unfortunately it's crystal clear that there is potential for a chemical imbalance or doggy PTSD. She is the toughest dog we've ever had/dealt with.
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Yeah,Marshall has issues of his own and they didnt get better being passed from 1 home to the other all his life...thankfully he has Layla as a crutch.

They both been with me for 7 months now (going and they are just about to become my dogs...Layla played briefly with a toy last weekend (yay! she doesnt play at all,very dominant female) and Marshall is growling less and less at me when I manipulate him..takes time,love and trust....lots of it in some cases.

Best advice....tons of walks,lots of exercise,obedience and mind focus.
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How long have you had her? Sounds like she's one stressed out pup! She doesn't feel better with the other dogs around?
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Sorry for the late response. Maya has been with us for almost 2 years. We've done almost everything one can to help her along.

Recently we brought a new pup home and I had a bit of an epiphany. Knowing factually that Maya came from a puppy mill, I would believe that she was separated from mom and siblings well before establishing any type of social skills. So far, she plays the best with the puppy. I'm taking notes weekly on her almost like a study. I'm wondering if her young type mind will grow with the new pup and learn the social cues she missed out on.

We have 4 dogs total, the 2 oldest being very well mannered dogs.
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Thanks for the update ... it seems like people are finally starting to do that as of late.
A couple of questions are you feeding her in the Crate and are you taking her on one on one structured walks???
Four different trainers you say??? And they say ... we can't help her becasue she came from blab,blab background.

Well ... that's crap, they can't help her becasue they can't help dogs with serious issues. It's not what they do ... at least the ones that did not come out ... were being honest.

I see your RI??? LOL ... I don't know how far away you are but Jeff Gellman is in RI! That would be this guy. :
Solid K9 Training aggressive dog rehab, dog anxiety - Rehabilitation and Family Dog Training

He does RV Tours across america and most likely is doing something local to you. At the minimum ... I'd take your dog to him and his trainers for a consultation. I'm pretty sure you'll hear something quite different about your puppy mill puppy.
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