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Old 01-18-2013, 07:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I posted the other day about Serena not liking to have her claws trimmed. We're working slowly with her on this. Well, about a 1/2 hour ago she came in from a walk & peed right before coming inside. She was relaxed & mellow and my husband decided to trim just two of her nails. Like I said, we're taking it slowly. She was not happy. Less than a minute after he was finished she walked to the middle of the room, looked right at us and peed!

I know some people don't think animals do things out of spite, but this couldn't have been more clear. She was mad and wanted o let us know.
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Haha my schnauzer has pooped on the floor after we've given her a haircut before just to tell us she's mad. And, my aunt has little Malteses'-6 of them- and they are all potty trained- but if she leaves and takes one or two- and not all of them- they will pee and poop all over the floor telling her how mad they were.


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What did you do?

Did she go in the crate? ( I mean did you put her in her crate after the accident) Just curious. I have not personally had a spite poo or pee but I do believe you.
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What did you do?

Did she go in the crate? ( I mean did you put her in her crate after the accident) Just curious. I have not personally had a spite poo or pee but I do believe you.
It happened so fast, she didn't sniff at the floor or walk around at all like dogs usually do when they go. She just walked to the middle of the room, squatted and peed.

My husband ran over to her right away but she was already done-it wasn't much because she had already gone about a 1/2 hour earlier. He told her no & took her outside to reinforce that potty is outside. We don't use the crate for timeouts, so no, we didn't put her in there.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I would not call it spite since dogs do not feel such emotions, they are not that advance and cannot think as far back as 5 seconds in their short term memory that is why correcting them on the spot while they are doing a unwanted behavior is crucial, once the 5 seconds have passed you missed your window. Dogs are very "in the moment", think basic instinct like marking or dominance. Yes....female dogs mark as well and she may be instinctively stating her dominance after what she viewed as a vulnerable situation. Make sure you clean the area well after the accident. In your case it may be stress related, after a grooming like you mentioned it may have been kinda stressful for her and she pee'd right after because she was anxious or stressed out because she was vulnerable and she also probably felt your stress in trying to keep her in that position. So the next time, after a nail trimming or grooming, praise and treat and let her know she is a good girl and give her attention and love. Rub her paws during the day and stroke them so she gets used to being touched on her paws, that is a very sensitive area for dogs and they normally do not like being touched at the paw area since they feel vulnerable, if you watch them play with other dogs - it is their instinct to hunt and they usually go for the legs first to take down prey. So having her paws up in the air can be a very vulnerable position. At least that is how my 2 play...I notice that they go for the legs and neck, even if they are playing. So with your tension in trying to trim her nails coupled with her being in a vulnerable position, you get....pee...it's like being a human and pee'ing in your pants! LOL!

So if you gradually get her used to being touched on her paws and she sees that it is ok, it won't be so uncomfortable or stressful for her the next time you do a nail trimming. It takes a bit of romancing, but eventually she will get used to it. Not sure if that helps.
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I disagree that they don't have such emotions...and can't think as far back as 5 seconds.
My old toy poodle used to poop right in front of my dad 's chair every time my parents went out without her... She would also wait for them to come back for hours even when other people were home. I would take her to my room to play with her but she'd always eventually want to go back to wait for them.. Much longer than 5 seconds after I distracted her.

Cruz will go back to items I've taken away from him & put out of sight for much longer than 5 seconds lol


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I have to completely disagree on the spite theory. When I was younger and in college, I loved to travel. My mini schnauzer would stay with my mom when I was gone. She absolutely loves my mom but every single time when I got back and we were in our home, For 24 hrs Kristin wouldn't come to me, she wouldn't look at me, wouldn't lay with me and this is a dog to this day that is my shadow. She follows me around and is constantly by my side. It was def out of spite. I also used to believe dogs can't tell time, well I completely disagree. Our boxer puppy Tyson gets let out of his crate for dinner at 5:40 every night. He know EXACTLY when 540 is. It could be the weekend or our schedules change and he still knows exactly when 540 is, so I completely think he can tell time. Also, my grandpa users to tell me the story of the dog he had when he was younger- my Gpa worked a mile away from work and this dog would either follow him to work every day or meet him at work as he got there. It was clockwork, and when daylight savings time came around, the dog was thrown off for a couple days. They absolutely can tell time


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Spite is an emotion that has to do with revenge. I would hate to to believe that mydogs keep a record of my mistakes and plots against me. I would definitely be in trouble.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say they plot against you or keep a record... we all know they are much more forgiving than people are lol
But, I think they do get mad about certain things. Spynxz (my old toy poodle) would pull the same kinda thing Mgibs mini schnauzer would do if she smelled another dog on me... or if I didn't take her somewhere she wanted to go ie. Burger King LOL She would appear to make it a point to come sit right beside me except she would turn her back to me and just ignore me for a while after I got back. Normally she would be full of kisses and want to snuggle.
I guess until they can talk we can't say who is right or wrong...all I know is they amaze me almost daily with their personalities & behaviours.
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Oh and I KNOW Spynxz had a very accurate internal clock Mgibs! She always knew when it was 4:30 and my mom was done work. The phone could literally ring at 4:29 and she'd have no reaction.. but 4:30 when my mom would call for my dad to pick her up.. as soon as the phone rang she would be up whining with excitement to go pick her up...& she would do this before anyone answered the phone. When my mom was a few minutes later than usual... Spynxz would follow my dad around like his shadow as if she was trying to let him know..."mom's late...."
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