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Old 06-04-2008, 07:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Heat, skin infection, mange - or all?

The heat in Mumbai has soared this year, nearly hitting 40 degrees celsius - needless to say, it has been terrible to bear!

We do keep the aircons on - but it is impossible to keep them running for long periods of time. Zoe has been having a tough time and she is loosing a lot of her hair. This happens every year. Then she gets them back when the monsoons set in.

But what has me worried is that she has lost her hair over her elbow joints and they have turned scaly. *But I am really worried. Over her lower stomach she has spots where hair has fallen out. It could be a skin infection - and perhaps even mange. *But she doesn't have any mites or fleas - not as far as I can tell, because I check everyday. I did read though that Demodectic mange may be invisible to the naked eye.

The vet says it's due to the heat and has asked me to apply potassium permanganate dissolved in water to prevent soreness. The vet has also prescribed her prednisolone tablets.

Is this something that I have to worry about? She doesn't seem to be in any sort of pain. Any advice or suggestion would be appreciated.

From the internet, I did pick up this, if it is mange. "Treatment

Minor, localized cases are often treated with medicated shampoos and not treated with agents aimed at killing mites as these infestations often resolve within several weeks in young dogs.

Demodectic mange with secondary infection is treated with antibiotics and medicated shampoos as well as parasiticidal agents. Amitraz is a parasiticidal rinse that is licensed for use in many countries for treating canine demodicosis. It is applied weekly or biweekly, for several weeks, until no mites can be detected by skin scrapings.

Demodectic mange in dogs can also be managed with ivermectins, although there are few countries which license these drugs, which are given by mouth, daily, for this use. Ivermectin is used most frequently; collie-like herding breeds often do not tolerate this drug due to a defect in the blood-brain barrier, though not all of them have this defect. Other avermectin drugs that can be used include doramectin and milbemycin."

I could run this by my vet and see what he says...I am attaching two pics of Zoe's elbows. Could anyone please give me any advice?



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Old 06-04-2008, 08:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Is she laying on hard surfaces perhaps to stay cool? You might want to see about getting a cooling mat that can actually lay on her bed, that would keep her off the hard floors...Samson's elbows look way worse than that, his is solely from being kept chained on concrete...If your vet rules out any other health issues I would look for ways to keep her cool, like the mat..
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Yes, as I mentioned, she doesn't sit on her mat at all. She is always on the floor. I shall check up on your advice about the cooling mat. This is actually the first time I am hearing about them.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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check these pictures out, Autumn has a pretty decent case of generalized demodex:

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/563120767yuSDgU

The skin doesn't really turn scaly at that early stage, so I don't think that it's demodex.
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It *has* turned blue/black at certain areas. I shall go and consult another vet.
Now I am officially worried.

*If* it is Demodectic mange, what do I do? I shall be taking her to the vet of course, and see what he has to say, but can I hear your suggestions as well.
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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well, I still don't think from those pictures that's what it is, I think it's just darker because it's scabby, but you have a much better view than I do, so I'll trust what you're seeing! *Originally my vet gave me a topical drop to put on her back between her shoulders once every two weeks (like flea or heartworm meds), however, after 5 weeks with no results I consulted people on this board instead, and Sharon helped me out with an Ivermectin dosage that we're now trying. *Apparently my vet didn't really know much about what she was dealing with, and I/Autumn had to pay for it. *Some patches are filling in (quite well, might I add) already, however some new ones are still starting...she is in heat though, which stresses out the body and certainly isn't going to help anything. *Other options include Mitaban dips, which is a chemical dip that has to be done several times until a negative skin scraping occurs. *If Zoe does have demodex, it looks like a small enough case that a dip wouldn't be required at this point.

Autumn is a puppy, however, and I believe it can be a little more serious in older dogs (over 1 or so). *It can be a sign of an underlying problem, as it develops when their immune system is down and is no longer able to keep the mite population at bay (all dogs have this mite on their bodies, but it doesn't usually cause any problems). *So, for Zoe's sake, hopefully it's not demodex, but if you still think that could be what it is I say definitely get her to a vet for a skin scraping, because it can get bad fast, and it can be a bit of a bugger to get rid of.

If it is demodex, it's good to switch them to a raw diet, or a high quality kibble without fillers because that can aggravate the problem, and add some fish oils to the diet.

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Looking at those pics I would first think it is not demo mange...it normally does not present on the elbows....it looke more like calluses from laying on them.....which can also become black/blue and scales........I would rule out demo first though because like was said above it can go from a few spots to a big problem fast....and demo mange is not something you are going to see by looking at her......Once you know that is not what you are dealing with it will be easier for you to know how to approach it.....There is a lotion called Corn Huskers that is great for dry skin and calluses on dogs.....I dont know if you have that there.....

On treating demo IF that is what you are dealing with.....you would need to consult a vet to know what is available in the area you live....but IMO there is no better way to treat then with Ivermectin........
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My Ace has Demodetic Mange and the Ivermectin is clearing it up nicely. If you want to see pictures of what he looked like I have several in my photo album.
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An update:
My vet was out of town for the vacations so I had to wait till he got back.

He finally returned first week of July, so I took Zoe for a consult. He said that it was not Mange, but a sort of a fungal infection. Though he did not entirely rule out the possibility of Mange. I also told him that she was feeling itchy around the eyes since May and showed him the spots from where she was losing her hair. I also mentioned that I had done some researching online and mentioned Ivermectin. He said that we could try out meds to treat a fungal infection as well as Ivermectin. Zoe weighs about 30 kgs and he said that a 10mg tablet of Ivermectin could be prescribed for a dog that is around 20kgs, because Ivermectin can affect the kidneys. So:

He told me to give her a dose of
1) Ivermectin 10mg daily for a month. (mange)
2) Enroflaxin 50mg daily for 10 days. (fungal infection)
3) Hydroxyzina hydrocloride 25mg daily for 10 days (for the itching)
4) *Miconazole Nitrate (Spectrazole lotion) to be applied on the affected area for a month.
5) Ciproflaxin Hydrochloride (Ciplox) eyedrops to be administered twice daily for 7 days.

He also gave her four injections - one of them being an Ivermectin injection.

He has asked me to check back in after 10days. So here is hoping things look better.
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Well I hope that out of that list of possible things to help her that she gets to feeling better soon.
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