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Old 03-31-2009, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

Just joined this forum a few days ago for my best buddy Jager. Anyway we've started noticing some things over the past little while that we're worried about but more because we're unsure of if it is anything to be concerned about.

Basically Jager is about 13 months, when he was 2-3 months he had a horrible case of pneumonia (right after we brought him home) he stayed at the vet for a while and came home much better and happy as could be. It was also found that he has a slight heart murmur when we were bringig him for his shots and taking care of the pneumonia. Only other medical thing I can think of is he has one undescended testicle.

He generally loves being by me and my g/f and loves being on the bed. We always take him for hikes in the parks and walks around the neighborhood.

Lately we've noticed some specific things that we'd like to see if they mean anything more serious:

A) When we take him for a walk most of the time as soon as we're out of the car to begin the walk he starts breathing/panting heavy almost like what it sounds like after he does some quick sprints. The breathing will last like that the whole walk and when we get home sometimes it will take a while to stop (sometimes when he lays down after getting home he'll just lay there breathing deeply in and out). Most of the time as soon as we get home he tends to wait for us to sit and then he'll lay down and his whole chest will be heaving from his heavy breathing (no throwup attempts or anything). We're not sure if it's because he's so excited, he never wants to stop the walks he just breathes heavy a lot. He doesnt seem to be out of breath or anything tho and loves to just keep going, but when he realizes we're stopped he'll lay down and rest, like if we walk around the street he'll breathe heavy and then as soon as we enter the yard he'll lay down flat with his back legs spread apart.

B) when he breathes heavy like i said above he generally also starts having foamy spit on his lips and his chin, really foamy like it'll float on water. Sometimes he shakes his head and it goes flying in big spitwads. Again I don't know if this is because he's so excited to be out and about (he loves meeting people, dogs, new places, he's always excited when we go out) We figure this is normal for a boxer because of his lips and generally just cleanup his face.

C) Lately he's started to sleep by the bedroom door almost feeling like he's sad. I know when he had pneumonia he'd avoid us and sleep alone so this sorta scares me. We will normally call to him a few times and he'll look at us and normally come over with a toy or slowly come over to our bed, get up and lay down after some licks and staring out the window. This isn't all the time tho, right now hes laying next to me on the bed all normal-like. Most of the time he acts normal and will just walk right on up, him sleeping by the door happens maybe once a night and lasts at the most a halfhour or so.

D) He loves water, its not like we dont have some around for him it's just when he gets to a full bowl sometimes he'll just down the whole thing real fast, other times tho he does just drink some and then walk away. He normally is good "business" wise, but sometimes he'll get diarrhea and sometimes he'll be outside squatting repeatedly with nothing coming out (this only happened maybe once or twice, and it was a few months ago)

Overall he's a super spunky guy, he loves running around the hose shaking his toys everywhere, he loves playing tug of war and catch. When I bring him outside to go potty he loves to go supersonic speed in laps around the yard before doing his business. He will play for hours with other dogs. He never just completely stops like ive read as a description of some problems, he's never fainted or anything either.

He normally always eats up all his food (3 cups per meal, 2 meals a day) but sometimes in the morning he will refuse to eat until later in the afternoon. Right now he's at 72lbs and we're in the process of slowly switching him from pedigree large dog food to taste of the wild prairie blend.

He's due for a vet visit but are any of these things possibly signs of something larger? Should I hasten the trip to the vet to get this checked out?

Thanks for any help and i can provide any more info that you need,
Kevin and Jager.
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For A) could it be car sickness?
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For A) could it be car sickness?
Na he's perfectly fine in the car, once we get out and start the walk he starts the breathing, to me he just seems really excited, its not wheezing or sounding abnormal just deep deep breathing. In fact i think his favorite place other then the window is the car.

Update: Just now me and my girlfriend are on the bed, jager between us laying down. He just gets up out of nowhere, goes to the other side of the room and passed out against the door.

there are other people in the house, maybe its his way of letting us kno he wants to see them?

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If you have some concerns I would take him in sooner for a check over and describe what is happening. I would also ask them to run a thyroid panel on him as he is a boxer and thyroid problems due tend to run in this breed.
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Welcome to the forum!!

I am not a professional by any means; these are merely suggestions from past experiences.

First off, some of these things can be normal. Chance likes to know where everyone in the house is all the time, gulps down his water like a mad-man sometimes, has “the squirts” occasionally, and I have witnessed white foam a few times. For Chance, these things are normal, he didn’t always care where everyone was except for me, but is something he has developed over the years. However, every dog is different and if these types of behaviors are drastically different from Jager’s usual responses to them, then certainly have them checked.

As for the breathing concerns, I would have them checked out promptly, especially if Jager has had pneumonia in the past. Over a year ago Chance was diagnosed with pneumonia – he had shown no discomfort, odd eating habits or any signs for that matter. We would have been none-the-wiser had he not developed a cough from Bronchitis, at which time the vet found that he had had pneumonia for at least a few months . To this day, I monitor his breathing. Hmm, I wonder if one bought of pneumonia makes them more susceptible to getting it again?

Once again, I am not a vet; there are many possibilities, like Thyroid as Nano suggested, or maybe he is just growing out of his puppy habits into teen habits. The best bet is to take him in and see what they say, I am sure you will feel much better knowing anyway.

Keep us updated!
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SuzyQ gets excited going in the car. She is prone to pretty heavy panting just walking in town or at the pet store - she's just so hypered up to be somewhere - but she is not having labored breathing and never has had any bronchial problems or heart problems. I think I would have that checked. As for foaming at the mouth - she is not a big drooler in the house, but when she's excited or tearing around outdoors, she looks like a mad dog - and she loves to shake her head and sling it. that seems to be the norm. Changing their food, even gradually and to a better quality can be very difficult on some dogs and result in diahrrea. Of course, if he's like SuzyQ she will eat unknown objects outdoors that will upset her stomach. When we first started letting SuzyQ spend the nights out of her crate she always slept upstairs in our bedroom on her bed. As she has aged, she's changed. She comes upstairs until we get in bed and turn out the lights and within 10 min or so she goes downstairs to sleep on her bed in the living room. Who knows why, she likes the bed better, she can look out the patio door, it's warmer/cooler who knows?
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SuzyQ gets excited going in the car. She is prone to pretty heavy panting just walking in town or at the pet store - she's just so hypered up to be somewhere - but she is not having labored breathing and never has had any bronchial problems or heart problems. I think I would have that checked. As for foaming at the mouth - she is not a big drooler in the house, but when she's excited or tearing around outdoors, she looks like a mad dog - and she loves to shake her head and sling it. that seems to be the norm.
Yea i don't think his breathing is labored, it doesnt seem to bother him or anything, just sometimes it seems he cant "catch his breath" right away and slow back down to normal speed. When he's breathing heavy it doesnt slow him down either so it's not like he has to stop to breath, he'll run around at a 100mph and be breathing the same way while doing it.

I remember how he breathed during his pneumonia bout and its definitely not like that.

Jager definitely looks like a mad dog too with his foam, but like you said its only when hes really hyped up.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and suggestions, I have a feeling most of the stuff is normal I'm just very cautious with him because he's so important. Think I'll move up his vet app't to monday and see if they feel anything is going on, hopefully its just me overreacting about an overly happy puppy

Also i think i could probably chalk some of it up to his "teenage" moods coming through

Thanks again, anymore suggestions or thoughts are gladly welcomed!

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I know when Rocky gets all excited, he gets foamy around the mouth but he drools alot too he has very big lips compared to my Adrian she don't drool as bad as him and she still gets a little foamy when she is playing hard but nothing like Rocky. When he gets like this he looks like a mad dog to
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Hi, heavy breathing and foaming happens to Arbie when he is feeling hot. He is overweight and on a lot of meds so that accounts for him getting in that state. He will usually want to lie on a concrete floor or go outside to lie on damp grass (with back legs spread apart)- after about ten minutes, and many drinks of water, he's back to normal.
I would just get a vets opinion (if only to put your own mind at ease) - explain what you've told us.
I can't say if it's normal or not because as I say Arbie is on meds and overweight.
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What is the climate like where you are? The heavy panting and foaming, as already mentioned, could be heat related. Due to the Boxer's bracycephalic skull they cannot cool themselves as quickly as other dogs (even if they do have that super thin coat!

Also, a Boxer might seem like they are panting more (or harder) than another dog simply because of their big mouths! Autumn is always panting on our walks (even in the winter) and is often seen with the foam! Autumn also loves to pass out on the cold floor after walks, just like you said, on her side panting hard....all normal!

As far as the bed thing goes, perhaps he's getting too hot or just plain uncomfortable on the bed? My mom's one Golden will sleep in the bed for a bit, but she gets hot very quickly and opts to lay on the floor.

I would say most of your stuff is probably just him being a dog! If you are still concerned do make an appointment to speak with your vet. I know it's easy to see problems (where there are no problems) when your pet has had previous health issues!
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