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Old 07-09-2011, 01:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Elwood is 15 or 16 weeks old and has 1 testicle in his scrotum. The other is down below the abdominal wall where it can descend, but the vet says there's probably less than a 50% chance it will. It's about 2 inches away from his scrotum. Anyone dealt with this? Is there anything I can do to 'encourage' the testicle to descend? (massaging etc?)

This is something of a big disappointment and a big deal. (I'll try to be brief-something I'm not good at. Elwood is Champion Sired and has good stock on the Dam's side. Most of all due to the thousands of dollars we spent on our rescue boxer we were looking for stock that had been thoroughly health tested and/or could go back 3 generations and know of any health problems present in the parents/grandparents/great grandparents. In this regard Elwood fit the bill. Given our love for the breed and the fact that as the breed's popularity has risen so has the number of people breeding dogs that should NEVER be bred I've given thought to showing Elwood if he develops as expected. The idea being that our investment in money and time would be returned both to us in stud fees and back to the breed with an animal worthy of contributing back to the Boxer gene pool. (Sorry if I'm stepping into a BF mine field or on anyone's toes)

All this is to say we've spent the money to crop his ears with this in mind and now it looks as if it's probable he won't be showable or stud worthy as the vet says the testicular issue is hereditary... no matter how good he looks I wouldn't breed him with that being the issue.

Thoughts... Suggestions... is there hope?

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Old 07-09-2011, 01:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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also forgot to ask, is there something that could have caused this? perhaps falling on the rear/being swatted causing the testicle to draw up/knocked up and not come back out?
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Iv'e heard there are massage techniques that you can use to get the other testical to drop. Personally I would try this if possible. I do not have any info on this though.. Hopefully someone else will chime in and offer some advice.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks M2R, now someone needs to lay the info on me! I ask the question about trauma causing this issue as when we had him first vet checked the day after getting him and 2 weeks after that 2 diff. vets said they could feel both testicles in or right at the scrotum. Now one is rather far away...

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Old 07-09-2011, 11:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There is not much you can do except to massage, but you need to be careful. It is a hereditary issue, and here in Germany it is noted if pups have that problem, so you can go back in the pedigree paperwork and check if this has been a problem. Im not sure when, and I am also not sure of the correct terminology, but there is a point in time when the testicle can not drop anymore because the opening to the scrotum closes. ButI have heard of dogs where the testicle has dropped as late as 8 months.

It is not uncommon for the testicle to drop, but for it to shoot right back up again. If you can massage it into the scrotum try to not to let the dog jump or stretch, this will have the testicle shoot back again. It is quite a time consuming issue. Please have a person (who knows what he is doing) how to massage the testicle into the scrotum.

If the testicle dose not drop, it will have to be removed, not tomorrow and not next month. The problem is that the testicle that has not descended may become cancerous as the body temperature of the dog is higher than in the scrotum.

Sorry I could not help you with the problem. I think it would be best not to use him as a stud dog.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have been taught that if a dog's testicles do not descend by the time he is 6 months old...the chances of it happening are extremely slim to none. In my field (veterinary) there are certain things you can do, massaging is one of them, but I would recommend taking him to the vet and having the vet show you how to do it properly.. you can always ask your vet if you are really serious about getting his testicle to drop..about an injectable therapy used I believe once a week. The injection I believe is Gonadatropin and it is a stimulating hormone that can SOMETIMES be used to help testicles drop. Again though...PLEASE ask your VET and do not attempt any therapies on your own. It would be worse to cause more damage thinking you are helping. That's just my opinion. I have seen the injectable therapy work on about 50% of dogs, so there is no guarantee. And it depends on your vet's preference whether he is already too old to get the injections (they are normally given at 10 weeks and forth... and if your vet deems it safe for him. That's my advice. Good luck with everything!
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..and for your second question...I have never heard nor seen any dog have an undescended testicle due to any sort of trauma (playing, jumping, bumping etc) . Like Quando said, it is definitely a genetic trait, and I would recommend looking back in his pedigree and talking with the breeders about your concerns with this and let them know if it never drops, because ideally if they strive for perfection, they should not breed that pair (his parents) together again to keep from producing more puppies with this condition.
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Patience is all you need. My male had the same problem and it fell on its own.
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Mine was cryptorchid as well (1 up one down) and it took 3 insicions to remove it. We were having him neutered anyway but still. If his doesn't drop on it's own you can't show him either because he can't be neutered (to be shown)
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My boy, Octane, came from the #1 Sire in Canada and out of a litter of 10 not one male was show worthy because of this exact problem. His were both present, but never fully dropped. Now, I was not in possession of breeding rights (clearly, as he is white) I can not imagine your frustration. Most contracts will cover this.
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