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Old 07-29-2014, 05:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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She does well even at a at a brisk walk. Just not when I ran with her. And I was wanting to slowly train her up to be a 5K running buddy this fall (eventually when she is more socialized). I hate wet toes and won't run in the snow, so I guess we'll be holding off until spring.
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Make your walk fun. Play games, bring treats, focus her attention on you and not the evil boogie men. Work on tricks and the more comfortable she gets slowly increase the speed of your activities. Get her to rely on you for stability and support when she feels uncertain.
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Old 07-30-2014, 12:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Long leash is still a valuable tool, regardless of the running issue. I use one on all my dogs until they have a reliable "Recall" and "Stay."

I learned that lesson when I took a foster out for a run with my dogs, they returned when I called "new dog did not!!!! Sent my dogs out again and she followed...lesson learned!

You asked about what do you do when you don't have a "place" out and about and the answer in the article was a rag!

I think I said I never taught the "Place Command" because I never knew about it! Turns out I have but I did not know it!

All my dogs knew it but my GSD showed "me" one day on a walk!

"On the lawn" I told Rocky one day on a walk about three houses away from home (he walks off leash around here pretty much all the time). I stopped to tie my shoe and he was still going??? I just watched to see what was he going to do??

To my amazement, he went to our house,up the drive way and "On the Lawn!!" Our front lawn was simply a big version of a "Place Mat,Towel, Rag or Rug!" That's where you are suppose to be until told otherwise! Same deal as the 'Place Command!"

Train the "Place Command" and you can train on the lawn for whatever size outdoor space you have!

Hence the long leash! Everyday coming from a walk say "On the lawn" she will learn that wherever the designated area is, is where she is suppose to be,free to move about the area "The Place Command!" but not free to move from the area "On The lawn!"

Now in the interest of full disclosure...I only leave my dogs on the front lawn out of my sight for a few minuets at the most! UNLESS YOUR DOGS ARE 99.999 PERCENT BOMB PROOF...that's all the time it takes for a life time of regret!!!

To that end my dogs were taught to "ignore other dogs" my dogs don't do dog parks (save for proofing) they did not do "I thought my dog was freindly folks/dogs and they were all 'cat proof."

They walked well on leash and I did the intros to strangers not them!

What all that means is, that all the (normal) triggers that would pull them off the lawn are not there!

So while they were out of my sight for a few minuets the risk was extremely low!

Sorry if that got kinda long but I thought it was important info.

On occasion someone will ask...how do I get my dog to stay on the front lawn??? That's how I did it!
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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She is gaining more confidence on walks. She actually seems like she would like to investigate things she would have run from a few weeks ago. She stays by my side and doesn't investigate, but body language says she would like to. I even changed our normal route and she did quite well. The only time she tried to run was from the sound of gravel grinding under car tire and she walked extra close to me when we passed a large, low-to-the-ground sign.
I did try taking her out without halter. We drove to a very large parking lot surrounded by grass (1/8-1/4 mile to closest road in either direction). But while I was minding my son she got out of collar. To my surprise she stopped dead in her tracks when I called her ( about 15ft away). However, that was without other people or dogs to distract her. I don't trust her to stop when there are distractions. So halter went back on.

I do want to get her a 20ft leash, but pet store isn't so close by. It will probably be a week before I do.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Everything doesn't happen over night. Hopefully when she stopped, you marked the behaviour with a command and a good dog?

You just saw the benefit to all your hard work! The dog stopped when she heard your voice!!! She is paying attention to you, she trust you to keep her safe! That is all you need, the rest is easy!

Don't stress that she crowed you when she got scared, what she did not do is...try to pull away!! See the difference!

"The Place Command" could keep this from happening again. The dog wonders because most likely you have no established pattern of behaviour for getting in or out of the car?? No place for her to be??


Place Command can help with the car entry and exit!

Pick a spot where you want her to be when she enters the car...mark it with a "Place Command."If she moves take her back and say "Place" again. When she is in the car...the whole inside of the car becomes "Place" if she comes out, back in the car she goes and mark "Place!"

That is a real world example of the difference between a "Place Command" which can be used anywhere and go to bed which only works at home!

Your dog trust you and that is all you need and that is what you have! The rest is just teaching her what you want!

Or a solid "Stay" command outside the car and a "Place Command" inside the car will get you the same results...similar but different.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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You're right, we haven't made a pattern for getting in/out of car. Will have to work on that, too. Especially since we're driving relatives in a few weeks. She'll have 3 acres to run out there. They do have a dog, but he is a calm, old golden retriever. So far she plays well with other dogs.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:15 PM   #17 (permalink)
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So far she plays well with other dogs.
OK hate to be Mr Downer but...Her and Mr Lab are mostly likely not going to be an issue at all!

But her and one bad encounter with another, strange dog can easily create serious issues with "your dog!" And while Mr or Mrs "I thought my dog (aggressive dog) goes merrily on there way, you are left with new "issues" to be dealt with! My guys were taught to "ignore" other dogs, no issues no problems, that is what they do!

So don't screw up your hard work by having a bad encounter, a dog fight at a Dog Park or bad encounter with "I thought my dog was friendly folks" will show your dog that "you" can't protect her!
Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea

And your dog can be found here:

Three Dogs Who Shouldn’t Be at the Dog Park or Daycare | Robin Bennett

Now you know!

And the car thing, my guys since I don't have kids are my soul focus getting in the car. They were always so excited to go for a ride, that if they had the key they would have opened the door and jumped in themselves!

So there soul focus was on me/car door! I knew right where they were, under foot! But it was a none issue for me, once in the car however,they did not come out until I "explicitly" instructed them to do so! Car doors open, windows down! That rule was and fast, zero leeway!

A solid "Place Command" can give you the same results!
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Opps so sorry I thought I had posted the video on the Place Command!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGq_5r0DeE
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OK hate to be Mr Downer but...Her and Mr Lab are mostly likely not going to be an issue at all!

But her and one bad encounter with another, strange dog can easily create serious issues with "your dog!" And while Mr or Mrs "I thought my dog (aggressive dog) goes merrily on there way, you are left with new "issues" to be dealt with! My guys were taught to "ignore" other dogs, no issues no problems, that is what they do!
We are bringing her kennel just in case and my uncle has a kennel for his dog, too. If nothing else, they can take turns being out. But hoping all goes well. I would really like her to have a dog buddy.

I've been trying to avoid potential bad encounters. I've actually wondering if I should/could get her a vest that asks people not to come and touch her. Mostly kids seem to be the issue. I don't take her out if they are, but occasionally they come out after we are. The incidence that comes to mind is a pre-teen, I think, girl coming toward us and though I told her that Liesel gets nervous with new people and to stay away she came closer until Liesel growled when she was maybe 10ft away (I had even moved to put some distance between us). So then she said Liesel was a mean pitbull and rode away on her bike. Ugh. I think the main problem was that the girl was coming at her on the bike which I'm sure was intimidating to Liesel.
We're working on her with people. If someone comes over we keep her on her bed for a few minutes so she can watch and see that everything is okay. And then let her out on a 6ft leash so she can interact at her own pace. Usually within 5 minutes she is a the happy puppy wanting loves that she normally is wriggling her whole back end. Then she is off her leash. This is the best approach that I've come up with.
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I do make her I re-assure her during introductions. And we really don't have a ton of visitors, other than my mom. And she now recognizes my mom so there is nothing, but a wriggle butt when my mom comes over.
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