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Old 11-06-2012, 10:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Please help! New boxer owner, he won't stop peeing!

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My name is Brandi, I am new to this site and to boxer ownership! I have had dogs all my life and when my boyfriend and I purchased a house with several acres and a large barn a couple months ago, we decided to add a puppy to our family. I have three cats and an older female lab/shepherd mix so I wanted to be selective.
After much breed research and visits to local boxer breeders, we found (and instantly fell in love with) a three month old puppy that had been returned to the breeder by the original purchasing family, they apparently couldn't afford him?
Gryff came home with us that day and has been a great puppy... he is very smart, great with our other animals and just the most social little guy, he can be stubborn and argues with us, sighing and grumbling, but that's just a boxer being a boxer! lol
We have one BIG problem though, we CAN'T get him to stop peeing in the house! He hasn't pooped inside at all since we brought him home, but peeing is entirely different. He is crate-trained, he sleeps in there (about 6-8 hours a night) without incident, goes out first thing in the morning and then every two hours throughout the day if I am home. I'm a photographer so I work from home unless I have to cover an event. Gryff is only in his crate for an hour or two during the day when I'm running errands or at an event.
I think he was hit by the first family that had him, when he pees he runs into the corner or away from me and it takes A LOT of coaxing to get him to come to me, even though we have had him for over two months now, he still cowers like I am going to hurt him, I have never laid a hand on him... I don't know what to do.

What kills me is that he pees when we are on our way outside, if I stop for a second on the way to the door to put shoes on, or even to turn the light off, he starts peeing and running away at the same time, leaving massive "piddle lines" through the house, wherever he ran too. I have tried treats when he pees outside, praise, time-outs in his crate when he does pee in the house, and I think I take him out often enough. (Every two hours) I just don't know what to do anymore... I'm at my rope's end here. We are even trying reusable diapers at this point and it doesn't seem to make a difference, he can wiggle out of it and pees anyway.
He has a clean bill of health from the vet, so I really don't know what to do!

We can go a few days without an accident, but then he just starts doing it all over again! He went for a week without peeing inside and the last three days he has done it every day!

I have had dogs all my life and have never had to deal with anything like this before. He obviously knows he's wrong as he runs and hides after a piddle, but how can I make him just wait to go out?
Please help!
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How long have you had him? I know some puppies piddle when they get nervous or excited. If the previous family was hitting him for peeing in the house, he may now associate that feeling with being hit and get nervous. Poor little guy! On the other end, maybe it's a UTI? I think you should take him to the vet first to rule out anything medical. If it's all psychological it may take him some time to get over it. Good luck!
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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also he is only 3 months old we took ours out every 30 min when awake for the first few months until they learned to "tell" us with enough time to spare that they had to go it was really really hard with Brandi she had no concept of pee out side since she had been kenneled her whole life before us and miss ziggs too she was 8 months when we got her back and still not house broken it took several months of over frequent trips out and slowly stretching the time out for them to get the idea and every time it was "tell me" and treats for pees outside now they are great at telling us but unfortunately none of them are on the same potty schedule they all want different times so no sooner do you let one in then the next one wants to go out 20 min after the first etc so we feel like revolving doors also he may be afraid to "tell " you he needs to go depends on his past or he could just have a really really subtle "tell " like a sideways glance or a simple sit at you feet
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hello

He is still very much a puppy. If at all possible I would take him out every 1/2 hour to an hour until he starts to get the concept a bit better. Seeing as how he's had a bad experience from the get-go with those other people I would start over like he was an 8week old.

You can also bell train him; this may be a new start for him too. So every time you go to take him outside, ring the bell and say outside! Then take him out, wait until he does his business (even if its a little tinkle) and give him the greatest praise ever! Treats, good boy, and very positive energy.

I think if you do this, he'll start to associate going outiside with a good thing and you'll set him up for good pottying as opposed to getting upset about it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hi All--
Gryff is actually five months old (born May 21) we got him in the middle of August, when he was about three months old, so we have had him a little over two months now. I am trying to take him out every hour when I can now, and I am going to start with the bell training and hoping that works! I am thinking it is a psychological thing at this point, there is no reason for him to run away from me when he pees, he hides too, all I have ever done is sternly say "bad boy" and take him outside when he pees in the house, so all I can think is he is still scared from his first owners? Will update in a few days!

Also, went to the vet yesterday and just got the call back that he is UTI free, so I can't think of anything other than a psychological thing. My poor boy, I'll just have to show him that not all people are mean!
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Everyone has very good advice. I would add: what if you were completely ready to dash out the door before you let him out of his kennel then you don't have any time to dawdle, I forgot how old you said he was but if he's still little you could pick him up and run outside(that's what I did with Rosco bc he would leave "piddle lines" lol coming down the stairs and I absolutely hate cleaning stairs, or even move the kennel closer to the door perhaps. I would also not use the kennel as punishment. Poor fella, people can be so evil sometimes. Good luck! I know Rosco had problems with peeing inside, probably took OVER two months for him to completely so ALL business outside.


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Awwww! Poor little guy! Duke is 5 months old and he can easily hold it 4-5 hours. Must be psychological... and again, some puppies just piddle when they're excited too!
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Yeah,
I'm thinking it has to be. We have done all positive reward type training with him, so it has to be that :/ we're picking up a bell and some of his favorite treats tonight so hoping by the end of the week to have some real progress.
He does "excited piddle" on occasion, but this seems different. He looks ashamed and walks away while he is doing it, but doesn't stop until he is empty. He peed a 20 foot line down my stairs and hallway last night! Pees a bit when I try to coax him to me as well... lots more treats are necessary I'm thinking!!
He will do anything for food... hahaha
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I'm thinking it has to be. We have done all positive reward type training with him, so it has to be that :/ we're picking up a bell and some of his favorite treats tonight so hoping by the end of the week to have some real progress.
He does "excited piddle" on occasion, but this seems different. He looks ashamed and walks away while he is doing it, but doesn't stop until he is empty. He peed a 20 foot line down my stairs and hallway last night! Pees a bit when I try to coax him to me as well... lots more treats are necessary I'm thinking!!
He will do anything for food... hahaha

Yes, he sounds like he's associating peeing with being punished and that is soooo what you don't want.

Try the bell and see if you can get him to associate it with something positive. Also, because he tends to run and hide, I would have a leash on him inside that way when/if he does have an accident you can get to him quicker.
Don't say anything, try not to look at him, just grab the leash and outside he goes! If he continues to pee until he gets outside and he even does a little bit outside praise him like crazy!!! Even if it's a drop! lol I know it sounds silly but he needs to know that he doesn't need to run from you and that its ok for an accident but that he should be going outside. Might save your carpets a bit too
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Good luck! I'm sure he'll get it eventually - he just may need a little more time
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