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Old 11-10-2012, 08:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Until you determine exactly what is going on & attempt to corect it if need be - the best advice might be to contact & have in a reputable professional behaviorist/trainer - just make certain to NEVER leave them unsupervised from this point on. If you're going out, do not leave them alone together - not even for a few minutes.

In hindsight, it would have been better to have kept a baby boy from her litter (I mention it at this point here in the event that there are other members perhaps looking to keep a pup from a litter or add a pup to their home with an already established adult dog) as sometimes two bitches do not get along well & although it can & does occur that an opposite sex pairing don't get along either, it's much more uncommon. Good luck.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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my girls do this too it is a dominance thing my alpha mounts all of them male female doesnt matter the paws on the back is part of it the growl/ snap is you are not submitting to me and can also be part of play if the daughter refuses to submit the mom WILL snap at her they will not really hurt each other but there can be lots of growls and the occasional hard nip but you will very seldom see an injury Mom is trying to establish that she is the Queen and the kid better fall in line
also define "attack " is it a body charge with open mouth? ( normal in play and correction) or is it serious draw blood attack ? can you stop it with a loud stern NO or does it take force to stop it ? as long as it is not a vicious draw blood attack it is most likley correction not fighting but if you are unsure consult a trainer
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:06 AM   #13 (permalink)
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By attack I mean mom suddenly starts making an awful noise like a bark and growling sounds. Pup tries to run away and mom chases her and us saying no or stop does not work. We have to pull her away, the first time it happened she got at her and there was no blood but saliva marks around her shoulders....


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It is most likley correction not fighting and I cant tell you how many times after a rough house session there is drool on everyones back and neck mom should listen to you no matter what mode she is in but they do have minds of their own how much training have you done with them ?
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Not much, I'm thinking that is the majority of the problem. Mom listens but not very well. She knows sit and shake but we have never been able to get her to speak. She was never able to be crate trained either. She has broken both kinds, the metal with removeable pan and heavy duty plastic ones. we would come home and the crate would be moved to the other side of the room. We decided to video tape to see what was happening and found out she was slamming to door trying to get out! Howling and crying sounded awful so we stopped putting her in there. Puppy on the other hand has been easy to crate no problems with her, she has been much easier to potty train too. I am really looking forward to the behaviorist/trainer coming Monday, he comes highly recommended from friends and vet. Do you think I should keep them separated while I'm home until then? Will that build more tension for mom? Or should I see how it goes with them together? I'm so glad I started using this forum, the feedback has helped me relax a bit.


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Old 11-10-2012, 01:10 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think training is a big step in the right direction and as long as you are there I would not separate them if you leave I would but they should be fine if you are there also they are brats and if they know it upsets you when they bicker then they will do it more esp if dad is not around try ignoring them once if there is an issue and see how it works out esp since daughter is bigger than momma she can hold her own if needed if it does get to a blood situation (not likely but anything is possible ) throw a pan of water at them you can clean the carpet and couch later saves you from any injury and will stop them in their tracks pulling them apart is not safe for anyone but if you have too grab by the hind quarters not the chest or collar
it really sounds like momma is just showing she is boss and I really would not worry about a real fight at this point but it is better to know the best way to stop them if you have to also they may think this is a good way to get you to "play " with them if you chase one or the other to separate them
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:58 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If they training starts to help, but doesn't fix it all the way I would also consider spaying both of them. The puppy after she's done growing though. Less hormones to mess with their behavior.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Great news! The behaviorist/trainer came out tonight and let me tell you, what a huge relief! He helped me establish my authority with them, it was hard at first, the puppy freaked out with the training collar and mom had to be advanced to a pinch collar, but they both submitted. Mom was the hardest of them all, but its my fault for not implementing the training sooner! He did some video taping so if i can get it to upload here I will when I receive it!
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I have to admit I wouldn't personally call that trainer back if he has those methods. It's basically scaring and stressing them into submission. Basically like Ceaser Millen.
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? I guess I'm confused, there was nothing scary or harmful with his method. It was basic obedience they learned. Correction when they didn't listen, I don't see anything wrong with that. I was not spanking them or hitting or yelling. Calm voice, if they didn't listen a tug on the leash while saying no to make them understand that not listening is not ok.


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