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Old 11-26-2012, 03:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Jumping nippy "play", about to lose it

We've tried everything we've read here on the forums and a couple of books. Re-directing with a toy, "ouch/yelps", stern no, cupping the neck like a claw/bite along with "no" (which actually worked, but only for a day or so), walking away (makes it worse) and it seems like we're going 1 step forward and 20 back in trying to stop this behavior.

Puppy is 10 weeks old this last weekend. He'll start wanting to get nippy and if we try a method to stop it he just gets hyper and starts jumping and nipping (if he didn't start out by jumping already). It's like all attempts to stop it escalate into full on hyper nippy "play".

I'm almost not sure it's play and more a temperment issue and I've honestly had thoughts of wanting to return him to the breeder because something just doesn't seem right to me. Granted, I've never owned a boxer before, but all the cockers we had growing up never were like this so this behavior doesn't seem normal to me.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have you tried ignoring him when he's behaving this way? Turn your back, no talking, touching or eye contact. Once he calms down then pet him and praise him gently.

Duke is normally calm but once he gets excited he can be a bit difficult to calm down and we noticed that the more we scolded him, the more excited he would get! The method described above is what works best for us. He HATES being ignored!

Good luck, hopefully you can find somthing that works for you! Have you thought about formal training? Maybe he needs some extra attenion/help?
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We've tried ignoring, and he just escalates. Maybe we need to keep ignoring for a bit longer. He just seems to go into super hyper mode and really jumping, growling, nipping at pants. He does start the "puppy class" at PetSmart this next Sunday. Hopefully that will help and/or we can get some specific advice from the trainer there after she can see in person what's going on (I know it's hard to tell over the Internet). Just heard back from the breeder, she thinks it's normal behavior so we just need to figure out what works to stop it. I guess it's just frustrating since it seems like I've tried everything I've read and nothing really works, or works for long.
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Yes they can get very hyper! It takes Duke a good solid 2-3 minutes of ignoring to calm him down when we let him out of his crate. It is getting better tho! I hope the trainer can give you more helpful advice.
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I use to put Nikki in her crate with something good to chew on to distract her. That way it wasn't punishment and after 5 minutes or so she forgot she was attacking me. She still does it with feet! She thinks they are the best to play with! My solution for that is slippers. She only attacks bare feet or sock feet.

My best defense was my cocker... She put her in her place and Nikki loved to play with her. We used to sit next to Maggie and if Nikki got wild she had to pass Maggie to get to us. They did love each other... Maggie was my harmless bossy boots.


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This is a boxer puppy, they nip pant legs and hands. This is how they know how to play with other dogs. If you only got him 2 weeks ago then I would say its a little early to be getting frustrated with him.

He sounds completely bored and this is his way of releasing that energy. How much exercise does he get and what type?

I clap my hands together a couple times and give a firm NO BITE, if they come back and do it again, then they get a smack (not to hurt them but to mimic a bite) I then again repeat NO BITE and stop all play and ignore them. This will take longer than 2 weeks to sort it self out, just stay consistent and your puppy will learn what is and is not acceptable behaviour.
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Thanks guys. I was kind of hoping he might get a bit of correction from my parents cocker during a recent play date, but I'm also a bit warry of that. Reason is the dog is 7 years old, not socialized to other dogs that well (she does get out but not like she should) and also "gets into it" when my sister brings her female cocker up for holidays (i.e. they can not be fed in the same room or have toys out). So I'm always on guard right now about potential aggression by the cocker and I'd have to really watch to make sure any correction was correction and not overly aggressive.

My parents dog seems to get along well with our boxer though and they were playing very well on Saturday. There was a bit of growling on the cocker's part when they were still in the house and Bruno was sniffing her face a bit too much for her liking I guess but that was it. This was also the 3rd time they have met, 2nd time in her house.

Good to know about the time length on the ignoring. I think I started realizing that over the last day. The couple times I tried really ignoring him longer than I thought it should take he would at first get worse, then all of a sudden walk off. I think you guys are appeasing my fears that something was wrong with him and we just need more patience and such. When he's not in the hyper nippy fits he's really a good dog so I figured I was overreacting but I had to be sure.
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He sounds completely bored and this is his way of releasing that energy. How much exercise does he get and what type?
Right now since he doesn't have all of his shots, throwing toys in the house and also some outside throwing the toys in the backyard. Also some mental work with starting basic obedience training (sit and down for now). We don't have a huge yard though, it's a newer house renting from a friend and the back is all concrete. Because of the concrete I'm watchful of how hard he plays so we don't cause any joint issues.

Of course once he can be outside in the normal world there will be lots of walks and play at parks and dog parks. We have a lot of places to go to work off energy, we just can't do many of them yet due to the shots I took him to visit my parents cocker on Saturday and they ran around their back yard for a good hour and he was totally tired after which was great. Problem was that then he slept for an hour or so and was fully on hyper again later in the evening lol.
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Did you say he was 10 weeks old?

If he is in fact 10 weeks old, you are seriously kidding yourself if you think the behaviour is going to dissappear overnight lol. Getting frustrated with a puppy of that age will get you no where. They have yet to develop in alot of areas and are going to require you to guide them and teach them.

Cupping the neck will do nothing if you are not following up with something. He thinks you are playing with him; you have to actually mean it when you tell him to stop. So when puppy starts 'nipping'; say no, redirect with a toy. If he continues, say no firmly and redirect with a toy again. If he still continues, them get up walk away and practice, no touch, no talk, no eye contact.

When he figures out that you leave him every time he gets a little too 'bitey' he'll stop. They hate to be alone this is how you get them to do what you want lol...Keep in mind though, he's still very young. It's part of the age. As he gets older, in combination with your corrections, he'll stop.
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Did you say he was 10 weeks old?

If he is in fact 10 weeks old, you are seriously kidding yourself if you think the behaviour is going to dissappear overnight lol. Getting frustrated with a puppy of that age will get you no where. They have yet to develop in alot of areas and are going to require you to guide them and teach them.

Cupping the neck will do nothing if you are not following up with something. He thinks you are playing with him; you have to actually mean it when you tell him to stop. So when puppy starts 'nipping'; say no, redirect with a toy. If he continues, say no firmly and redirect with a toy again. If he still continues, them get up walk away and practice, no touch, no talk, no eye contact.

When he figures out that you leave him every time he gets a little too 'bitey' he'll stop. They hate to be alone this is how you get them to do what you want lol...Keep in mind though, he's still very young. It's part of the age. As he gets older, in combination with your corrections, he'll stop.

Thanks. It's been a long time since I had a puppy, and I didn't remember the cocker puppies we had growing up in the 80's being like this (maybe they were and I blocked it out lol). I don't expect him to outgrow it overnight for sure. It just seemed like it was getting worse not better, but yeah maybe I'm expecting too much too fast.
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