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Old 08-01-2014, 08:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I thought you could breed them at 2 yrs...? So she could have had a litter at 2 and is pregnant now.... Right...???? I know nothing about breeding and "cycles" of a female.


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If you're asked to sign a co-own agreement you should be able to get all past records from the breeder's veterinarian. If they've used the same vet over time you can get tons of information. Vets know what healthy puppies look like, and if breeders are shady. If you can, I'd make an appointment to talk to the vet clinic in person.
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I thought you could breed them at 2 yrs...? So she could have had a litter at 2 and is pregnant now.... Right...???? I know nothing about breeding and "cycles" of a female.


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That is possible but would be a huge red flag itself. That would mean that she was bred one cycle right after the other
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Looks like you've done quite a bit of research.
In researching myself, so far the only health testing I see recommended for this breed are the hips ? And I also see a lot of DNA testing for color.

I would be concerned about bringing another female into your home as with both the boxer and bull dog - female / female do not always get along.

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I would be concerned about bringing another female into your home as with both the boxer and bull dog - female / female do not always get along.

Oh??? I have been lurking because this is all o to me but a Female Bull Dog and a Female Boxer!!

That would not be a good situation at all! The term "experienced" households only comes to mind!

Boxers and Buddies rescue policy is no other female dogs in the household! And a Bull Dog at that?? Wow!!
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That is possible but would be a huge red flag itself. That would mean that she was bred one cycle right after the other

I thought back to back cycles were better/easier on them... Like I said I dot know anything about breeding. I thought I read before where Kari mentioned about it being better to have back to back cycles.


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That is possible but would be a huge red flag itself. That would mean that she was bred one cycle right after the other

https://www.boxerforums.com/breeding-...y-litters.html

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Hmmmm...I was told by all the breederes before I got Echo that back to back was bad for the health of the female. The post she made says "many believe." It might be one of those things that not everyone will agree on.
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Hmmmm...I was told by all the breederes before I got Echo that back to back was bad for the health of the female. The post she made says "many believe." It might be one of those things that not everyone will agree on.

Yep, just like the whole to fix or not to fix and at what age and vaccinations etc.


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Hi ChuckNorris,

My two cents worth.

There are multiple issues.

Firstly, is the dog in question conformed for breeding? Are all medical tests performed? Is it documented and on paper? Is the breeder willing to provide a written and attested history record of the lineage?

Secondly, Ideally the time between two litters from the same bitch needs to be 18 months from what I have read at a few places. This allows the bitch to gain her health back and then give another litter of healthy puppies. However, not many people follow it. At the least a years gap should be given. Then, for a breed like boxer, the breeding should happen only after 2 years. Now coming to your situation:-

You said the female is 30 months and bred twice. There are two possibilities which raise a red flag:-
1. If the bitch is giving pups right now, the earlier breeding should have ideally happened 18 months back i.e. when she was 12 months old. If the breeder has chosen to bred a 12 month old boxer female, he cant be called reputable and probably is a BYB or puppy mill breeder.
2. Other is if the first breeding happened when the female was 24 mo (ideally), which means he kep just a gap of 6 months between two litters. Again all warnings of a BYB or puppy mill.

Generally, boxer litters are usually 4 plus. The fact that the bitch is giving just two puppies after having 5 in the first litter rings big bells to my ears. Clearly the bitch is not ready for breeding.

You also said, he plans to breed again in March to June 2015. Just 9 months within birth of a litter. So 3 litters within a span of 15 - 18 months. This seems very wrong.

I suggest if you have not signed any paperwork, walk off the deal. The biggest issue with such breeders is that the decision to breed is his private and personal right but the consequence of it is public. If possible, you should report this to some kind of animal rights NGO in your area.
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