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Old 07-20-2015, 09:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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not really knowledgeable on this, but my take is...if you have a long time breeder and they have had to replace a puppy 3x during their breeding during a 12 year span.I would not find that totally abnormal. They are essentially playing with genetics trying to keep the breed healthy, and in conformity to breed standards. For instance a particular stud dog had one bad trait , aggressiveness..you learned from your breeding program that he passed this trait on , but overall his conformation was perfect. You then bred him to more laid back bitches and found that you were no longer seeing this behavior, A generation or two later one of his puppies were bred and although you hand's seen this in years you suddenly have a puppy with this flaw. I think things like this can happen in breeding and while reputable breeders try to avoid this it can occur. I don't think they need to explain it to the average buyer as it becomes complicated when your talking genes and how to breed certain characteristics in or out of your line. The fact that the breeder stands up to her contract is what would be meaningful to me. Thats my take on the subject...
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Old 07-20-2015, 12:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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not really knowledgeable on this, but my take is...if you have a long time breeder and they have had to replace a puppy 3x during their breeding during a 12 year span.I would not find that totally abnormal. They are essentially playing with genetics trying to keep the breed healthy, and in conformity to breed standards. For instance a particular stud dog had one bad trait , aggressiveness..you learned from your breeding program that he passed this trait on , but overall his conformation was perfect. You then bred him to more laid back bitches and found that you were no longer seeing this behavior, A generation or two later one of his puppies were bred and although you hand's seen this in years you suddenly have a puppy with this flaw. I think things like this can happen in breeding and while reputable breeders try to avoid this it can occur. I don't think they need to explain it to the average buyer as it becomes complicated when your talking genes and how to breed certain characteristics in or out of your line. The fact that the breeder stands up to her contract is what would be meaningful to me. Thats my take on the subject...

I agree, I am happy the breeder is forthcoming and sticks with the guarantee. But my concern was the puppies they replaced over those years had died, which is what worried me. Same thing goes for that?
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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We are not God..... We only have so much control over the dogs we breed and produce. We can only do so much through health testing and even then there is no guarantee that a puppy won't still get a genetic defect. This is why we have health guarantees to help cover those situations.

Genetics are a tricky thing, you have recessive genes that don't show themselves for several generations and then pop up out of no where.

If you come across a breeder who claims they don't have any health issues or they have never had to replace a puppy......RUN!!!
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:13 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Yes I agree with Kari, many years ago I bred a few litters of mini schnauzers under the leadership of a long time show/breeder. I learned a whole lot from her. I showed one of my pups and learned even more. And then I had human kids and realized the time that goes into a good breeding/showing program . It was a good experience. There is no guarantee with genetics, a good breeder will tell you that. I wouldn't be concerned, seems like she is open and honest.
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Old 07-23-2015, 01:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Why are health guarantees only for 2-3 years typically and not longer? Just wondering because I actually have no idea. Also, if you had a choice between a pup with parents both negative, or a choice of a pup from one negative parent and one heterozygous parent which would be the best choice or does it really matter?

I know there are no guarantees...genetics are very interesting. I agree if I ever got an answer "never had issues or never replaced pup" etc I would want to run. No point in lying.
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Gensol has the dna test for DM on sale right now if anyone is interested.
I ordered two for my pups.

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