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Old 03-17-2009, 05:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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So was this whole thread started just to get people to donate DNA from their dog?
 
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:13 PM   #42 (permalink)
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You have a perfectly sound boxer that is a perfect representation of the breed, but happens to be white. Do you think he/she should be in the ring?
I can't think of any reason that dog shouldn't be in the ring, assuming the breed standard disqualification wasn't there.

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DNA testing is going to contribute greatly to the rate of decline in health issues such as that.
That is the hope, but it's proving to be more difficult to find the marker for ARVC than the researchers had originally hoped. There is some thought that ARVC may in fact be a symptom, rather than a disease in itself; at any rate, research is ongoing and I'm looking forward to hearing Dr. Meurs' update this year. Cancer is another matter; in some lines there certainly seems to be a family tendency toward one specific type of cancer, but the cancer researchers say that cancer is 60% environmental.

The Broad Institute is researching several other cancers and diseases, as well; more information on their research can be found here:http://www.broad.mit.edu/mammals/dog/vet_samples.html

As well, there are other ongoing research projects which address Boxer health issues:
http://www.akcchf.org/research/grants/s ... reed=Boxer

(And if one wants to contribute to the cause, the American Boxer Charitable Foundation is the single largest breed-club donor to the AKC Charitable Health Foundation; better still, all ABCF funding is matched by the AKC CHF.
http://www.abcfoundation.org)

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I will contribute DNA from my dogs to these programs regularly until they don't need it anymore.
Great! The ABC/ABCF will be offering blood draws/cheek swabs at the National Specialty again this year, for use in genetic research. (This is for the CHIC storage, which is available to all researchers, not just the Broad Institute. http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/dnabank.html)

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I expect it will take some time for breeders to begin utilizing all the resources at their fingertips.
That is certainly true! Heck, the only thing new in the last decade is the DM test, and there still aren't a lot of breeders that utilize the OFA database. There are many reasons for this, ranging from lack of confidence in the accuracy of OFA reports to fear of a witch hunt (originally from other breeders, now moreso from AR fanatics) to simply not caring. Which means that for now, one needs to do a lot more 'legwork' when planning a breeding, because you've got to go around asking about all those dogs rather than looking them up online.
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:13 PM   #43 (permalink)
 
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Ermmmm.....no?
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That's funny. I was wondering the same thing.

I think if you are trying to take white out of the boxer, everyone should just stop breeding dogs all together cuz they all come with their own set of issues. Then we can move to people because like myself being a diabetic, I have a "chance" of giving it to any offspring I may have.
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It saddens me that people are completely misrepresenting what I have said in favor of their own biases. Ah well.
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DNA testing is going to contribute greatly to the rate of decline in health issues such as that.
That is the hope, but it's proving to be more difficult to find the marker for ARVC than the researchers had originally hoped. There is some thought that ARVC may in fact be a symptom, rather than a disease in itself; at any rate, research is ongoing and I'm looking forward to hearing Dr. Meurs' update this year. Cancer is another matter; in some lines there certainly seems to be a family tendency toward one specific type of cancer, but the cancer researchers say that cancer is 60% environmental.

The Broad Institute is researching several other cancers and diseases, as well; more information on their research can be found here:http://www.broad.mit.edu/mammals/dog/vet_samples.html

As well, there are other ongoing research projects which address Boxer health issues:
http://www.akcchf.org/research/grants/s ... reed=Boxer

(And if one wants to contribute to the cause, the American Boxer Charitable Foundation is the single largest breed-club donor to the AKC Charitable Health Foundation; better still, all ABCF funding is matched by the AKC CHF.
http://www.abcfoundation.org)

[quote:1n5t1c1l]I will contribute DNA from my dogs to these programs regularly until they don't need it anymore.
Great! The ABC/ABCF will be offering blood draws/cheek swabs at the National Specialty again this year, for use in genetic research. (This is for the CHIC storage, which is available to all researchers, not just the Broad Institute. http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/dnabank.html)

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I expect it will take some time for breeders to begin utilizing all the resources at their fingertips.
That is certainly true! Heck, the only thing new in the last decade is the DM test, and there still aren't a lot of breeders that utilize the OFA database. There are many reasons for this, ranging from lack of confidence in the accuracy of OFA reports to fear of a witch hunt (originally from other breeders, now moreso from AR fanatics) to simply not caring. Which means that for now, one needs to do a lot more 'legwork' when planning a breeding, because you've got to go around asking about all those dogs rather than looking them up online. [/quote:1n5t1c1l]

Awesome post! Thanks for the links. I'm more than happy to donate what DNA I can for the cause. I'm glad you support that. It seems some others are wary. *shrugs*

As for the OFA database, I think you've hit the nail on the head. The 'witch hunt' that some fear is a definite hurdle to the effectiveness of the database. I think the second culprit is, as you say, not caring, or even not knowing. I can imagine that it would be a massive resource for breeders if it is let to work as it should.
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Then we can move to people because like myself being a diabetic, I have a "chance" of giving it to any offspring I may have.
I love these debates....but I often find myself wondering about all these health tests that are being performed on these dogs. Don't get me wrong, I am definitely a huge advocate for health testing, but I often wonder if we take things a bit far with the animals.
Like msdiamonddawg just got me pondering ....we don't do all these tests on humans. Why are we spending so much money on testing dogs? Now calm down... I really know the answer to that question, but it really gets me thinking. There has been heart issues within my family, cancer, and probably a few other health issues in my genes, but yet I chose to have kids and ultimately take the chance of passing on those health issues to my kids. Why??? For my own selfish need to have kids? It just doesn't all make sense to me. Like I said, I am a huge advocate for health testing before breeding and breeding only to better the breed, but this all just gets me thinking too deep.
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I understand your point; a lot of people ask the same questions. The main difference, to me, is that most of my puppies are going to other people - they put their trust in me, and so I feel I must do as much as I can to ensure they get a happy, healthy, long-lived companion. With kids, you're keeping them and so you are the one who would deal with any health issues they might have.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:21 PM   #49 (permalink)
 
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Very true. If only every person that chose to breed dogs would breed with the same ethics that you do. I myself have dealt with a poorly bred boxer that had to endure too many health issues within his short life, so I truly appreciate a reputable breeder breeding according to the code of ethics.
I also chose to rescue the boxer I have now not knowing any history on her. But, I am prepared to deal with any health issues that may arise in her lifetime.
It's all just very thought provoking.
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Also, I know that in the MIT studies, (and I'm sure others, as well) some of the findings are being used in battling illness in humans, as well. So, there is certainly some benefit to humans in that instance.

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