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Old 03-16-2009, 05:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default Vertical Pedigrees

I'm just curious as to your thoughts on vertical pedigrees. Do you think that they can provide valuable information to be utilized in breeding programs? Is there any potential problems you can foresee when utilizing information garnered from vertical pedigrees?

Has anyone here, or anyone you know utilized such pedigrees?

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Old 03-16-2009, 08:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am not a breeder so have not used them - so have no experience - for those who are wondering what a "Vertical Pedigree" is this link explains it pretty clear.

http://enaidkennel.com/ped.htm
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, I should have included a link, myself....thanks!

I'll add this one from the OFA: http://www.offa.org/hovanart.pdf

It's pretty detailed but a very good article on how breeders can utilize vertical pedigrees.
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Both breadth and depth of pedigree should always be considered in any breeding. The only problem with using a vertical pedigree would be the same as when using a horizontal one, and that is breeding the paper and not the dogs.

In other words, while the pedigree provides valuable information about what's behind the dogs, what's been consistently produced through the generations, what might be lurking out there, etc., when it comes down to it you need to also look at the actual dogs themselves, their own traits and health and temperaments - sometimes the best breedings on paper are garbage in practice, because the dogs don't actually complement each other, and/or don't themselves have those traits that are found in the pedigrees.
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Both breadth and depth of pedigree should always be considered in any breeding. The only problem with using a vertical pedigree would be the same as when using a horizontal one, and that is breeding the paper and not the dogs.

In other words, while the pedigree provides valuable information about what's behind the dogs, what's been consistently produced through the generations, what might be lurking out there, etc., when it comes down to it you need to also look at the actual dogs themselves, their own traits and health and temperaments - sometimes the best breedings on paper are garbage in practice, because the dogs don't actually complement each other, and/or don't themselves have those traits that are found in the pedigrees.
Excellent point, Jennifer. On the surface it seems they are beneficial...and, for identifying health issues they are very useful, but, when looking at conformation traits and temperaments, I can see that they can sometimes lead you astray.

Thanks for posting.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Even with health issues, looking only at the pedigree can lead you astray, since with many Boxer health issues clear parents can produce affected offspring.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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Absolutely. Sometimes there is no magical recipe....though it would be nice if there were. But, at the very least you can eliminate specimens who are proven to have health issues. Then you just have to be concerned with the ones you can't identify.
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