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Old 10-16-2012, 08:23 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Right now you're becoming a BYB which is bad. Where did you get your girl from? She needs to have a good pedigree with known health behind her, good conformation to the standard, and be able to pass all the health tests the ABC requires.
American Boxer Club: Heath Screening of Boxers in Breeding Programs
You shouldn't just use a random stud. He needs to be a good example of the breed and also pass his health testing. Honestly, I don't think you should breed her. You should educate those that want pups from this litter on what makes a repsponible breeder, health testing, conformation, etc. and find a good breeder to get another pup from. You also cannot breed before two. You'll have to wait at least two heats.

Bottom line, please don't breed your girl.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Just read the article and brought some very informative facts to myself; as I was thinking about having a litter of my own.

I truly do believe I have a beautiful girl and has a great temperament and whatnot.
I would like someone who knows what they're doing to lend me some advice and some words of wisdom.
I want to let you know that I only want to do one litter for these reasons:
a) I want one of the pups
b) My cousin wants one
c) My aunt wants one
d) Friend who has the breeding male wants one as well.

I am going to get her fixed after this heat. I'm really not looking into being a "breeder" and wanting that extra cash or whatever the excuses were in the article. I do know the consequences and feel that I am prepared but like any new mother I will never truly be prepared. I'm nervous of course since this is my and Ray's first time.

My aunt who was a breeder found the other day someone has stolen Golden Gloves (Sugar Ray's father) was stolen from his front yard. Several hours later my aunt finds him dead in the front yard. He was hit by a car it seemed the entire family was heart broken. So, I would like for her to have a grandbaby of his.

My cousin wants one because she has been looking for a good family dog since she just moved from an apartment to a fenced backyard house with her husband and son and wants to add a good family dog to the family.

The male owner (my friend) wants to have a pup and so do I. Since it is her first litter I'm thinking that she won't have more than 3 or 4? Is this correct? If there is more than that I'm wanting to make sure they go to good homes and they must give me a vet they go to so I can have a reference so I know they are good owners and also must sign a spay/neuter agreement. I am not sure what goes into that so any could give me a link to one would be great. Also, what will happen if one is white??? I know that's a possibility, and that it being white has the high very high chances of being deaf or blind.

Well, anyway, that's my rant right now.

Please kind words are nice, no one likes being condescended to.

I would like to hear words from first hand people who've been through this.
No matter how many articles and books I have and will read it still doesn't amount to actual testimonies on what has happened and real life stories of what could go wrong.

Thanks!
I'm sorry, but these questions seem pretty insignificant when you look at the total picture. If I were in your shoes I'd be asking questions more along the lines of: Are both potential parents healthy enough to be bred (meaning health tests, not a standard vet check up)? If one of them has a health condition that could be passed down to the puppies you clearly wouldn't want to breed them and put the puppies at risk. What will happen if there are complications and she needs a c-section? What will you do if you lose her (the mom) during the delivery? Will you be able to stay home from work every day to provide around the clock care to the puppies? What will you do if the puppies end up dying?


I'm not a breeder and to be perfectly honest I've never understood the argument of "my dog is beautiful and has a great temperament" as a reason to breed. I've felt that all of my dogs were beautiful and they all had/have great temperments, but that in no way meant that they were good candidates to be bred. Riley was my heart dog and he had the sweetest temperament! He would've made some beautiful puppies, but thankfully I had no desire to breed him because he ended up losing his life to ARVC which is hereditary. I would hate myself knowing that I passed those genes down to his puppies.


I don't remember who the breeder was, but I remember reading on a website that they had only one litter and stopped because they lost mom and all of the puppies. I don't really know how common this is, but it does happen. That's terrifying! Are you prepared for such a loss?
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:52 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but you are going to get some harsh responses on this.

You should not breed your dog.
She may look great but she is not breeding material; besides the fact that you got her from a BYB as well. You have not done any health testing; you do not show her; you do not have any knowledge of breeding and breeding practices except for what your family has been doing.

Seriously, I would just have her spayed and be done with it. You would be putting her through quite a lot for no reason at all except that you want another puppy and your family wants more puppies. Go to a shelter and pick one from there. Go to a rescue and help rescue the ones that are already waiting.

Although you say that you are not in it for money how do you expect to pay for it?!??! When she was 11 weeks old, you couldn't even afford a decent kibble for her and I quote:

"She's 11weeks old right now I want to give her the best stuff but I am a broke college student so I would like to not break my pockets but still want good dog food for her and where could I get it at? "

If you truly care for your dog, get her spayed and buy her some good food. Don't expect to come on here and try and justify why you think she is a good candidate for breeding. You won't get any support for this type of thing here.
Just don't do it; you could use all those resources helping out a rescue. Have you spoken to your family in regards to that? Perhaps they'd be willing to adopt a boxer instead of adding to the problem.

Your inexperience could lead to tons of problems, and just because its her 'first' litter doesn't mean she will have 3-4 pups. You could end up with a litter of 12...then what would you do? What happens if you cannot find homes for all of them? You would be adding to the problem by dumping them at the pound or shelter. It's a vicious circle and I highly suggest that you think long and hard about this. It is not in your best interest or the best interest of your dog to do this.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but it's just not what you should be doing...



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Old 10-16-2012, 09:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Her father was completely healthy and had everything up to date and a pedigree and so was mom.
I'm prepared for a c-section and health concerns with what if I would have to bottle feed, I did it once with a cat I owned. It was hard but I did it. All but one survived.
I am also going to get her x-rayed and have heart tests done as well.
I want her to be healthy, it's not like I'm selfish and just want her to pop out pups.
I never even thought of the possibility of my girl dying... that makes me distraught.
And with all do respect SaharaNightBoxers I'm not trying to become a puppymill institute in my backyard. I don't think you completely read through what I had wrote and maybe I didn't put enough detail into it either. I am going and getting my girl tested and everything. She is registered so is the male and I'm willing/wanting to register all pups as well.
Let me reiterate that the litter is strictly for family. Hoping that she will have only 3 or 4.
I will agree with you that I should do more background on the male but my friend says that he will go have him get all his tests done as well and will give me the paperwork of it all so I can be sure he is healthy too.
I"m not trying to over breed my girl and sell them or "get rid" of them. I want them to go to my family: aunt, cousin, myself. I also want them to get them fixed when they do receive them.
I got my girl from my aunt who was a breeder and also showed my girl's father.

Thank you Ril-Mas for your constructive criticism.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:57 AM   #15 (permalink)
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No, I completely understand and thank you for your words bosley'smom and yes when I had first gotten her I wasn't working and was doing dead end jobs, but I have finished school and have a great job as a dog groomer and feed her well now.
I know that I would be getting very strict responses from everyone on here especially those who are professionals.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I agree with Sahara Night Boxers & Mandy (Ril-Mas). If you don't know what's behind both the sire & the dam, you could be producing unhealthy puppies. Genes never go away, they hide, sometimes for generations then all it takes is breeding a sire that carries a certain recessive gene to a dam with the same recessive gene & suddenly you have unhealthy puppies. Things like epilepsy usually don't show up until the dog is 2 or 3 years old, heart problems may not be obvious right away & hip problems are the same way...all inherited health problems that may not cause problems until later in life. It is SO important to KNOW the health of the lines of the dogs you are breeding for at least 3 generations & I think 3 generations is the absolute minimum.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:09 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Thank you Jill T. I really don't want to become a monster like some people make it seem with certain words they're using I want to make sure I take all the right steps. I truly didn't think I would end up with 10 or 12 pups.
Now when I say this I don't want anyone to take it the wrong way I AM NOT TRYING TO BECOME A BREEDER but with breeders where did they start? They had to have started somewhere. With the same questions and everything.... wanting to know when and how to go about doing things right? Didn't anyone start out like this? Have a certain breed they absolutely loved, got a great notable dog from a good breeder and started to breed and they became another good breeder?
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:10 AM   #18 (permalink)
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A pedigree simply means that the AKC has records of the names of the parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. It doesn't mean they were all health tested & proven to be healthy & not carriers of any unwanted genes. Any AKC registered dog can get a pedigree. IMHO, just because a dog is registered really means nothing, I've seen LOTS of REALLY bad Cockers with AKC papers & pedigrees.
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Oh, okay... Well how do I go about getting health records of them? Dating back certain generations?
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Okay, where do you start? Here was my personal experience. I got a good dog from a show breeder. I showed that dog & met many other good breeders, one of which became my mentor. I showed & finished my dogs, which were co-owned until they were finished. I was not allowed to start with a female, I was given a male. I had to work hard & prove myself. I had to listen & learn from my mentor. This took years & even though I have champions in my home, I never bred.
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