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Old 03-06-2013, 09:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Most responsible breeders usually sell the white boxers with a spay/neuter contract with the buying party. The only real reason to not breed a white boxer, is they are more likely to have health problems like being deaf or blind. The reason a boxer comes out white is usually a pigment issue that just takes over the whole coat, but the boxer is usually still considered a fawn even though they are white.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The only issue with breeding whites in my opinion is the increased risk of deafness (and blindness in whites with blue eyes). White boxers have an approximately 20% chance of becoming partially or completely deaf. So I guess whether or not you think it's ok to breed whites depends on whether or not a breeder feels it's ok to increase the chances of birthing puppies who are missing at least one of their senses. This would result in pups who are harder to place in homea and who must have homes that are willing to work with their disability. When a deaf puppy is getting into the garbage or barking at the window or tearing up a blanket you must continually get up and go over and physically stop the behavior instead of just yelling at the pup to stop. This also means it can be difficult to interupt bad behavior the moment it happens, which is what's necessary in order to effectively train out bad behaviors. These pups often end up in abusive situations (which was what happened to Aspen with her first owners because they would get frustrated with her and hit/kick her and would tie her to the railing so she couldnt get into trouble because they were too lazy to get off their asses to train her) or they end up in shelters which is pretty much a death sentence for a deaf dog. This also doesn't touch on the fact that deaf dogs tend to have extreme separation anxiety, are difficult to have off leash, and get startled really easily which can cause them to be unpredictable around young children. So is it ethical to breed dogs that you know may have an increased risk of having this type of life? I guess that's a personal opinion. I love my little deaf white girl but I wouldn't ever intentionally breed a dog with the knowledge that this could be the life her puppies face.

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Old 03-07-2013, 08:03 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I feel that any responsible breeder should be breeding with bettering the breed in mind, knowing that white boxers are more prone to deafness and blindness I feel would be not doing so with this in mind, and would be producing puppies and generations that are more prone to these problems. I love white boxers and thought about getting one before i chose my pup, and im sure will still one day get one, because they are so darn cute, but dont feel that breeding them would be responsible.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:51 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have a white deaf boxer. I looked all over for a white baby. There is a breeder in PA somewhere that has a white male stud. He does all the genetic testing and has a health guarantee. He is actively promoting white boxers. I thought about it and decided as much as I wanted a white boxer I still wasn't ok with actively trying to breed for white. White dogs in any breed are more susceptible to becoming deaf. It's not something you can test for or prevent (except for not breeding whites) because the pigment in the hair effects the growth of the hearing hair sensors. White was at one point an acceptable breed standard color so the recessive gene is present in many boxers. Passing it on is always a risk. I finally found a breeder about 2 hours from my home. My vet connected us. There were 8 puppies in my baby's litter. 4 brindled, 2 fawns, and 2 whites. My girl was the largest of the litter and the only deaf puppy. The other white female had a blue eye. The puppies were priced at $1500 for a full AKC registration. The other white female $650 with a limited AKC registration. I was given my puppy with a limited registration. All puppies came with a blanket with their mother and litter mates scent, 2 weeks worth of starter food, toys, reading material, a health certificate, wormer, and both a lifetime health guarantee and a statement claiming they will be excellent reorientation a of their breed conformation (regardless of limited or full AKC registration). I had to sign a contract with the breeder agreeing to never breed my pup as well as many stipulations on her care. Being a new mommy deaf puppy is going to be a challenge. I'm up for the task but, I know it's going to be a lot of work. Point being not all breeders are as responsible as Lilly's "Grandmutter" and not all owners are up for the challenge of a deaf dog.. So breeding white boxers until there is more information on genetics regarding the link between white and deaf it should really be avoided.


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Its all changing in Germany ,White boxers are being shown and more.. Remember the first true boxer were white ...
i was thinking the same thing, but wasnt sure if it was correct, I am thrilled that at least in Europe they are changing this 'rule'. they are also banning the 'docked tail' and 'cropped ears' there.. i hate the thought of a tail on a boxer, but i love those floppy ears... just a little fyi.. the main reason that the boxers ears started being cropped is because they are uneven at birth, and grow unevenly throughout their lives.. thought that was a pretty cool tidbit of information...
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I have a white deaf boxer. I looked all over for a white baby. There is a breeder in PA somewhere that has a white male stud. He does all the genetic testing and has a health guarantee. He is actively promoting white boxers. I thought about it and decided as much as I wanted a white boxer I still wasn't ok with actively trying to breed for white. White dogs in any breed are more susceptible to becoming deaf. It's not something you can test for or prevent (except for not breeding whites) because the pigment in the hair effects the growth of the hearing hair sensors. White was at one point an acceptable breed standard color so the recessive gene is present in many boxers. Passing it on is always a risk. I finally found a breeder about 2 hours from my home. My vet connected us. There were 8 puppies in my baby's litter. 4 brindled, 2 fawns, and 2 whites. My girl was the largest of the litter and the only deaf puppy. The other white female had a blue eye. The puppies were priced at $1500 for a full AKC registration. The other white female $650 with a limited AKC registration. I was given my puppy with a limited registration. All puppies came with a blanket with their mother and litter mates scent, 2 weeks worth of starter food, toys, reading material, a health certificate, wormer, and both a lifetime health guarantee and a statement claiming they will be excellent reorientation a of their breed conformation (regardless of limited or full AKC registration). I had to sign a contract with the breeder agreeing to never breed my pup as well as many stipulations on her care. Being a new mommy deaf puppy is going to be a challenge. I'm up for the task but, I know it's going to be a lot of work. Point being not all breeders are as responsible as Lilly's "Grandmutter" and not all owners are up for the challenge of a deaf dog.. So breeding white boxers until there is more information on genetics regarding the link between white and deaf it should really be avoided.


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What testing is he doing? And there is a test to check for deafness I believe.


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i was thinking the same thing, but wasnt sure if it was correct, I am thrilled that at least in Europe they are changing this 'rule'. they are also banning the 'docked tail' and 'cropped ears' there.. i hate the thought of a tail on a boxer, but i love those floppy ears... just a little fyi.. the main reason that the boxers ears started being cropped is because they are uneven at birth, and grow unevenly throughout their lives.. thought that was a pretty cool tidbit of information...
Not sure who old you this but it isn't true. Hunting and guard breeds were cropped to help prevent injury.

It has nothing to do with how the ears grow from puppy to adulthood.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I didn't think there was a genetic test for deafness.. Only the double white gene which increases the chances? I was under the impression that the reason for the deafness has to do with inner ear hair not being present/falling out due to pigment. Not sure I completely understand this. He has genetic health screenings or at least he claims to have done them. I didn't end up getting my puppy from there so I never verified the testing. I am a first time Boxer owner. I did tons of research before I decided on the breed. And then even more research on deaf boxers and dogs in general. More about training and life with a deaf dog than actual causes. But, I came a crossed a few things.. My experience with breeding is with horses. And things seem to be very similar. It's all so interesting but, I find it a little overwhelming!!


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Ok, I was thinking of BAER which just assesses if they're actually deaf or not.


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Not sure who old you this but it isn't true. Hunting and guard breeds were cropped to help prevent injury.

It has nothing to do with how the ears grow from puppy to adulthood.
^^ Agree! My boys ears are obviously not cropped and they are pretty dang even!..
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