HELP! Pitbull or Boxer? - Page 2

SaharaNight Boxers · 06-16-2013, 11:48 AM

What to look for:
https://www.boxerforums.com/breeding-...r-breeder.html

The possible consequences of a BYB dog:
https://www.boxerforums.com/breeding-...appen-you.html

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**Kaco Boxers** · 06-16-2013, 11:58 AM

Parents are both purebred, just poorly bred. The cycle continues I am afraid

These puppies resulted from people who just wanted their girl to have a litter or people who are profiting off of their dogs. They put no care into whether or not they are passing along genetic conditions from one generation to another. Sadly, people are attracted to the much lower price, think they are saving the puppy from horrible conditions or compare the price of this puppy to those at the humane society. By purchasing a puppy from this type of breeder you are just supporting them and urging them to continue to breed poor, sickly dogs. A lot of these dogs will just end up back in the system at the local human society or rescue centre because of temperament or health issues caused by poor breeding practices. Some will get training and help and many many others will be PTS. The ones that are kept by their loving owners will face a life of pain and expensive vet bills. A small fraction will live a happy long term life.

The human societies are full of puppies and dogs from these types of breeders. A reputable breeder would never allow their puppies to end up in the system. They always take them back and take on any responsibility in their care or placing them. The costs you see with rescues and SPCA is for medical care, food, shots and usually includes a spay/neuter.

Yes, the costs are much higher with reputable breeders but at least you can see and meet the parents, be assured they are purebreds from quality lines and get copies of all health testing done. You have a lower risk of future health issues, though life happens and this isnt 100%. They should come with a health guarantee and if a health issue or life issue should ever come up you know that your dog can always be returned to the breeder and be kept safe.

Regardless of what direction you wish to take, please make sure you get health insurance right away. It's an added monthly cost but it will give you piece of mind that if something should happen, you should be covered medically to deal with it.

Paula30 · 06-16-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nicolerussell08

He is charging $300. So we live in Washington State, and all of the AKC registered boxers for sale are priced between $600 - 1200. Even though it is a backyard pup, we feel it is a fair price considering the humane societies charge $200 - $350 for puppies of any breed (mixed and unknown breeds as well). This way we got to be more positive of the breed by seeing the mom and dad. The gentleman selling the pups isn't identifying himself as a breeder which is good. We don't mind buying a dog that isn't papered, but maybe you can give me pointers as to why it is important to stick with a registered dog and a reputable breeder.

Very hard decision because that is one adorable boxer pup!!!!! I don't know if I could walk away. I'm a sucker for the pups! The reason everyone is telling you to make sure that it is a reputable breeder is because of all of the health problems that Boxer's have. When buying a Boxer, you want to make sure that they don't have health problems in their lineage. Nothing can break your heart worse than having one that is sick and/or having one with health problems that you can't fix or afford. I could tell you some stories but I will share the two most heart breaking for us. We had a boxer that was diagnosed with multiple tumors on her body starting at about age 2 (very young). We finally lost her at age 8. Removing the tumors no longer kept her going. It had eaten her up on the inside literally. We spent $10,000 in her last 2 months of life. After writing the last check, we lost her 2 weeks later. Can't even tell you how traumatic that was for us! Our second heart break was just last year when we lost our 3 year old to an undiagnosed heart condition. My heart is still aching from the sudden loss. We had an autopsy done and she had an enlarged heart and the vet said that her condition was genetic. All of our Boxers have come from what I now know are called back yard breeders. I just recently learned this term from participating in the online forums. And I just recently have become educated on why we may have lost our babies. I hope that I am not puppy shopping any time in the near future because that will mean that we have lost one of our babies. But I will definitely do my research on the breeder and the parents. With that said, if you can't afford a few hundred dollars more for a baby boxer, can you really afford to have a boxer?

**Gypsiemouse** · 06-16-2013, 01:17 PM

Boxers are prone to many health issues : heart problems, hip problems, degenerative myelopathy, and cancer to mention of few.

A reputable breeder will spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on specialized tests on both the sire and the dam to breed only the healthiest of dogs. A simple vet check up does not mean a dog does not have these genetic issues. There is no genetic testing for cancer, but a reputable breeder will know the history for generations going back to try and breed cancer out of the lines.

Do you want a pup that is in constant pain because of bad hips? Would you be willing to pay for surgery to have those hips fixed?
Do you want a pup that could just drop dead at a young age from an un-diagnosed heart condition?
Are you prepared to spend thousands of dollars on chemo, surgery or radiation if your dog gets cancer?
Are you willing to get a wheel chair and watch your pup slowly lose control of their back legs and change diapers when he can't control his bodily functions if gets DM?

Here are some links for you to read up on some of these issues;

American Boxer Club: Dealing with Degenerative Myelopathy in Boxers

American Boxer Club: Genetic Diseases

You are better off looking for a pup that comes from a reputable breeder that has done the appropriate health testing and spend a bit more money for your pup.

I suggest you read up on these issues and also read through some of the threads in the Rainbow Bridge section of the forum:

Rainbow Bridge - Boxer Forum : Boxer Breed Dog Forums

In the end, you are going to do what you want to do, but at least make this an informed decision and be prepared for what the future might entail.

Paula30 · 06-16-2013, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gypsiemouse

Boxers are prone to many health issues : heart problems, hip problems, degenerative myelopathy, and cancer to mention of few.

A reputable breeder will spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on specialized tests on both the sire and the dam to breed only the healthiest of dogs. A simple vet check up does not mean a dog does not have these genetic issues. There is no genetic testing for cancer, but a reputable breeder will know the history for generations going back to try and breed cancer out of the lines.

Do you want a pup that is in constant pain because of bad hips? Would you be willing to pay for surgery to have those hips fixed?
Do you want a pup that could just drop dead at a young age from an un-diagnosed heart condition?
Are you prepared to spend thousands of dollars on chemo, surgery or radiation if your dog gets cancer?
Are you willing to get a wheel chair and watch your pup slowly lose control of their back legs and change diapers when he can't control his bodily functions if gets DM?

Here are some links for you to read up on some of these issues;

American Boxer Club: Dealing with Degenerative Myelopathy in Boxers

American Boxer Club: Genetic Diseases

You are better off looking for a pup that comes from a reputable breeder that has done the appropriate health testing and spend a bit more money for your pup.

I suggest you read up on these issues and also read through some of the threads in the Rainbow Bridge section of the forum:

Rainbow Bridge - Boxer Forum : Boxer Breed Dog Forums

In the end, you are going to do what you want to do, but at least make this an informed decision and be prepared for what the future might entail.

Great Post! Their health issues can be so heart breaking! I would do anything or pay anything to fix them. But sometimes there just isn't anything that you can do.....and that is the worse pain of all....

gerhart · 06-16-2013, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolerussell08

He is charging $300. So we live in Washington State, and all of the AKC registered boxers for sale are priced between $600 - 1200. Even though it is a backyard pup, we feel it is a fair price considering the humane societies charge $200 - $350 for puppies of any breed (mixed and unknown breeds as well). This way we got to be more positive of the breed by seeing the mom and dad. The gentleman selling the pups isn't identifying himself as a breeder which is good. We don't mind buying a dog that isn't papered, but maybe you can give me pointers as to why it is important to stick with a registered dog and a reputable breeder.

im from Wisconsin and i paid $190 for my boxer and it wasn't from a bad breeder. The breeder give me all kinds of papers from info bout the breed to when he when to the vet. He was dew claw up front paws and tail dot and even guarantee that if my dog die in 6 months for any health problem she will give me another boxer plus was akc register. The dogs are good taking care off. They are so responsible that i drove 6 hours to go get him.

Here in Manitowoc Wi is a family that are not breeders but they still sale boxers with papers and first shots etc.... they charge like $600 round that

**Kaco Boxers** · 06-16-2013, 03:16 PM

Good friggin grief Gerhart! That is the biggest BYB ever! They breed 4 different breeds of dogs with two of them being designer mutts. They don't health test, they don't require dogs live inside your home, they don't require the dog be sold on a spay/neuter contract.

They are in it solely to profit off their dogs. They couldn't care less what happens to them once they leave.

THESE are the types of breeders everyone needs to avoid!

Roccosmom · 06-16-2013, 03:23 PM

Amen sistah!

gerhart · 06-16-2013, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paula30

Very hard decision because that is one adorable boxer pup!!!!! I don't know if I could walk away. I'm a sucker for the pups! The reason everyone is telling you to make sure that it is a reputable breeder is because of all of the health problems that Boxer's have. When buying a Boxer, you want to make sure that they don't have health problems in their lineage. Nothing can break your heart worse than having one that is sick and/or having one with health problems that you can't fix or afford. I could tell you some stories but I will share the two most heart breaking for us. We had a boxer that was diagnosed with multiple tumors on her body starting at about age 2 (very young). We finally lost her at age 8. Removing the tumors no longer kept her going. It had eaten her up on the inside literally. We spent $10,000 in her last 2 months of life. After writing the last check, we lost her 2 weeks later. Can't even tell you how traumatic that was for us! Our second heart break was just last year when we lost our 3 year old to an undiagnosed heart condition. My heart is still aching from the sudden loss. We had an autopsy done and she had an enlarged heart and the vet said that her condition was genetic. All of our Boxers have come from what I now know are called back yard breeders. I just recently learned this term from participating in the online forums. And I just recently have become educated on why we may have lost our babies. I hope that I am not puppy shopping any time in the near future because that will mean that we have lost one of our babies. But I will definitely do my research on the breeder and the parents. With that said, if you can't afford a few hundred dollars more for a baby boxer, can you really afford to have a boxer?

im sorry for ur lost but AMEN right on. I completely agree with u 100%

gerhart · 06-16-2013, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2manydogs

Good friggin grief Gerhart! That is the biggest BYB ever! They breed 4 different breeds of dogs with two of them being designer mutts. They don't health test, they don't require dogs live inside your home, they don't require the dog be sold on a spay/neuter contract.

They are in it solely to profit off their dogs. They couldn't care less what happens to them once they leave.

THESE are the types of breeders everyone needs to avoid!

my boxer is healthy so im happy with that.

06-16-2013, 11:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kaco Boxers Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Kawartha Lakes, Ontario Posts: 6,908	Parents are both purebred, just poorly bred. The cycle continues I am afraid These puppies resulted from people who just wanted their girl to have a litter or people who are profiting off of their dogs. They put no care into whether or not they are passing along genetic conditions from one generation to another. Sadly, people are attracted to the much lower price, think they are saving the puppy from horrible conditions or compare the price of this puppy to those at the humane society. By purchasing a puppy from this type of breeder you are just supporting them and urging them to continue to breed poor, sickly dogs. A lot of these dogs will just end up back in the system at the local human society or rescue centre because of temperament or health issues caused by poor breeding practices. Some will get training and help and many many others will be PTS. The ones that are kept by their loving owners will face a life of pain and expensive vet bills. A small fraction will live a happy long term life. The human societies are full of puppies and dogs from these types of breeders. A reputable breeder would never allow their puppies to end up in the system. They always take them back and take on any responsibility in their care or placing them. The costs you see with rescues and SPCA is for medical care, food, shots and usually includes a spay/neuter. Yes, the costs are much higher with reputable breeders but at least you can see and meet the parents, be assured they are purebreds from quality lines and get copies of all health testing done. You have a lower risk of future health issues, though life happens and this isnt 100%. They should come with a health guarantee and if a health issue or life issue should ever come up you know that your dog can always be returned to the breeder and be kept safe. Regardless of what direction you wish to take, please make sure you get health insurance right away. It's an added monthly cost but it will give you piece of mind that if something should happen, you should be covered medically to deal with it. __________________ Kari ~ Keeper, servant and mommy to the following crew Proudly Raw fed since 2009 www.kacoboxers.com

06-16-2013, 01:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Gypsiemouse Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 13,467	Boxers are prone to many health issues : heart problems, hip problems, degenerative myelopathy, and cancer to mention of few. A reputable breeder will spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on specialized tests on both the sire and the dam to breed only the healthiest of dogs. A simple vet check up does not mean a dog does not have these genetic issues. There is no genetic testing for cancer, but a reputable breeder will know the history for generations going back to try and breed cancer out of the lines. Do you want a pup that is in constant pain because of bad hips? Would you be willing to pay for surgery to have those hips fixed? Do you want a pup that could just drop dead at a young age from an un-diagnosed heart condition? Are you prepared to spend thousands of dollars on chemo, surgery or radiation if your dog gets cancer? Are you willing to get a wheel chair and watch your pup slowly lose control of their back legs and change diapers when he can't control his bodily functions if gets DM? Here are some links for you to read up on some of these issues; American Boxer Club: Dealing with Degenerative Myelopathy in Boxers American Boxer Club: Genetic Diseases You are better off looking for a pup that comes from a reputable breeder that has done the appropriate health testing and spend a bit more money for your pup. I suggest you read up on these issues and also read through some of the threads in the Rainbow Bridge section of the forum: Rainbow Bridge - Boxer Forum : Boxer Breed Dog Forums In the end, you are going to do what you want to do, but at least make this an informed decision and be prepared for what the future might entail. __________________ Lynne- Owned by and Slave to Maggie and Mongo

06-16-2013, 03:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kaco Boxers Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Kawartha Lakes, Ontario Posts: 6,908	Good friggin grief Gerhart! That is the biggest BYB ever! They breed 4 different breeds of dogs with two of them being designer mutts. They don't health test, they don't require dogs live inside your home, they don't require the dog be sold on a spay/neuter contract. They are in it solely to profit off their dogs. They couldn't care less what happens to them once they leave. THESE are the types of breeders everyone needs to avoid! __________________ Kari ~ Keeper, servant and mommy to the following crew Proudly Raw fed since 2009 www.kacoboxers.com

06-16-2013, 11:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
SaharaNight Boxers Advanced User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 907	What to look for: https://www.boxerforums.com/breeding-...r-breeder.html The possible consequences of a BYB dog: https://www.boxerforums.com/breeding-...appen-you.html Sent from Petguide.com Free App

06-16-2013, 03:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
Roccosmom Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: MA Posts: 4,496	Amen sistah!

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