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Serena 02-03-2014 05:16 PM

Frustrated
 
We are considering adding another wiggle butt to our family. We would like a male puppy. I've been researching breeders online across more than three states and am totally frustrated. Either they are BYBs who don't health test for heart/hips, or they don't reply to email/phone messages, or their pricing of a pet puppy is excessively high ($1800 to $2500).

I am now looking at different boxer rescue groups but our first preference is a puppy from a breeder who health tests.

Just had to rant a bit.

ashlee18 02-03-2014 06:22 PM

Health tested boxer pups are much cheaper here. I got my girl for $1100 and she was one of the more expensive puppies.

Have you considered driving south? The several hundred dollars you would save would still be more than the gas you pay.

Serena 02-03-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ashlee18 (Post 1486970)
Health tested boxer pups are much cheaper here. I got my girl for $1100 and she was one of the more expensive puppies.

Have you considered driving south? The several hundred dollars you would save would still be more than the gas you pay.

Thanks for the reply. I looked as far south as North Carolina, but I will definitely check into GA and South Carolina too.

Serena 02-03-2014 06:45 PM

Just received an email reply from a breeder about 2 hours from me...a pet quality pup is $2200. They test heart (holter), DM & thyroid. I certainly understand the importance of testing and the expense, also that they must recoup some of the costs but I think that this is what opens the door to the BYBs.

We'll look further south as someone suggested and I am also looking at the boxer rescues in the hopes that maybe they have young male pups.

CKY 02-03-2014 07:54 PM

It may seem expensive, but it sure saves money down the road if you don't (or have a significantly decreased chance of) encounter health problems. I'd recommend you look at the thread "Costs of Raising a Litter" by 2manydogs, it was really helpful for me. Good luck!

MamasGirl 02-03-2014 07:55 PM

Another family memb.
 
I volnt. for Northeastboxerrescue.com check them out we are not out of your way! Good luck!

Serena 02-03-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CKY (Post 1487066)
It may seem expensive, but it sure saves money down the road if you don't (or have a significantly decreased chance of) encounter health problems. I'd recommend you look at the thread "Costs of Raising a Litter" by 2manydogs, it was really helpful for me. Good luck!

Thank you. I do understand how expensive it is to raise a litter, and I have read that particular post. It was very informative. I guess it just shocks me each time I see the costs for a pet puppy. And some of them don't do all of the testing, either and yet still charge extremely high prices. One breeder that my husband spoke to said her pet puppies are $2500. Her show puppies are $3000. She doesn't test, she said she knows her lines. Yikes!

Gypsiemouse 02-03-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Serena (Post 1487154)
Thank you. I do understand how expensive it is to raise a litter, and I have read that particular post. It was very informative. I guess it just shocks me each time I see the costs for a pet puppy. And some of them don't do all of the testing, either and yet still charge extremely high prices. One breeder that my husband spoke to said her pet puppies are $2500. Her show puppies are $3000. She doesn't test, she said she knows her lines. Yikes!

That's a common response you get in NJ
Look further west and have the puppy shipped.

:)

Serena 02-03-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsiemouse (Post 1487170)
That's a common response you get in NJ
Look further west and have the puppy shipped.

:)

The breeder my husband spoke was in the Delmarva region.

I did see one in the Midwest who does all of the health testing but they were over $2000 too.

Serena 02-03-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MamasGirl (Post 1487074)
I volnt. for Northeastboxerrescue.com check them out we are not out of your way! Good luck!

I was looking at the site earlier. What is the best way to get more detailed info on a particular dog, such as whether its friendly with cats, house trained, etc. There is one dog in particular we saw and my husband also wants to know if its possible to visit the dogs.

CKY 02-03-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Serena (Post 1487154)
Thank you. I do understand how expensive it is to raise a litter, and I have read that particular post. It was very informative. I guess it just shocks me each time I see the costs for a pet puppy. And some of them don't do all of the testing, either and yet still charge extremely high prices. One breeder that my husband spoke to said her pet puppies are $2500. Her show puppies are $3000. She doesn't test, she said she knows her lines. Yikes!

That's not good! It's breeders like that that frustrate breeders with true integrity to no end, I'm sure. I understand your shock at seeing the prices too, I remember our family dog growing up was $600 from a great breeder. I was a little surprised to see prices these days too! But as long as the price reflects the quality and health of the puppy, a couple hundred dollars extra shouldn't sway your decision too much (in my personal opinion). In the long run it is negligible. Over the years you will be paying much more with vet checkups, supplies, food, boarding, etc.

Serena 02-03-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CKY (Post 1487202)
That's not good! It's breeders like that that frustrate breeders with true integrity to no end, I'm sure. I understand your shock at seeing the prices too, I remember our family dog growing up was $600 from a great breeder. I was a little surprised to see prices these days too! But as long as the price reflects the quality and health of the puppy, a couple hundred dollars extra shouldn't sway your decision too much (in my personal opinion). In the long run it is negligible. Over the years you will be paying much more with vet checkups, supplies, food, boarding, etc.

If I were to pay over $2000+ for a pet puppy, I would expect all of the testing to be done. So I definitely would be sure to choose a breeder who does all of the testing. Right now we are leaning towards rescues, but will also look further west as one member suggested.

SirVonKennedysDutch 02-03-2014 09:44 PM

We purchased Dutch from a friends' mother who is a breeder. I'm not sure the exact amount of years she has been breeding but she has a very well maintained facilities. In quite positive that she doesn't test as well just b/c I don't ever remember that being mentioned as a selling point. After becoming a member here, I guess hindsight is 20/20. Thankfully, Dutch is an extremely healthy boy and we haven't had any problems so far. He is now 15 months old and the only thing he has experienced was low blood sugar from rigorous play when we 1st had him. I'm no geneticist but if I can base Dutchs' future health from her prior litters, none of her lines has ever produced an unhealthy pup. Knowing what I have learned here from becoming a 1st time boxer owner, I would defiantly require those tests unless I purchased from Dutchs' breeder again. Dutch was male pick of the litter and she only charged us $350. I would have paid $2000! Good luck in your quest for a new addition! ~Misty~


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Serena 02-03-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SirVonKennedysDutch (Post 1487242)
We purchased Dutch from a friends' mother who is a breeder. I'm not sure the exact amount of years she has been breeding but she has a very well maintained facilities. In quite positive that she doesn't test as well just b/c I don't ever remember that being mentioned as a selling point. After becoming a member here, I guess hindsight is 20/20. Thankfully, Dutch is an extremely healthy boy and we haven't had any problems so far. He is now 15 months old and the only thing he has experienced was low blood sugar from rigorous play when we 1st had him. I'm no geneticist but if I can base Dutchs' future health from her prior litters, none of her lines has ever produced an unhealthy pup. Knowing what I have learned here from becoming a 1st time boxer owner, I would defiantly require those tests unless I purchased from Dutchs' breeder again. Dutch was male pick of the litter and she only charged us $350. I would have paid $2000! Good luck in your quest for a new addition! ~Misty~


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The same thing here, Serena's breeder didn't do all of the testing either and I didn't investigate enough to really know what to look for and questions to ask of breeders. Luckily Serena is healthy. Her breeder does keep in touch periodically too. But now that I know what to look for and ask in a breeder I want to do it the right way.

SirVonKennedysDutch 02-03-2014 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Serena (Post 1487290)
The same thing here, Serena's breeder didn't do all of the testing either and I didn't investigate enough to really know what to look for and questions to ask of breeders. Luckily Serena is healthy. Her breeder does keep in touch periodically too. But now that I know what to look for and ask in a breeder I want to do it the right way.

Right! You can only get lucky like that with anything in life for so long then your luck will break and along with that would be our hearts if we both got another boxer and no tests ran and bam! There went our luck, out the door! Lets count our blessings for healthy dogs! I'm curious if you don't mind me asking. How much did you pay for Serena? ~Misty~


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SaharaNight Boxers 02-03-2014 11:00 PM

If you'd be willing to drive over to Eastern Pa (definitely), Virginia (probably), or even parts of Maryland you'll probably find lower priced pups. Everything on the coasts is always more expensive and it applies to pups too.


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Serena 02-04-2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SirVonKennedysDutch (Post 1487306)
Right! You can only get lucky like that with anything in life for so long then your luck will break and along with that would be our hearts if we both got another boxer and no tests ran and bam! There went our luck, out the door! Lets count our blessings for healthy dogs! I'm curious if you don't mind me asking. How much did you pay for Serena? ~Misty~


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Hi, I sent you a PM in answer to your question on Serena.

Serena 02-04-2014 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SaharaNight Boxers (Post 1487322)
If you'd be willing to drive over to Eastern Pa (definitely), Virginia (probably), or even parts of Maryland you'll probably find lower priced pups. Everything on the coasts is always more expensive and it applies to pups too.


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Oh, I would definitely travel into PA, VA, Maryland, Delaware, NC. But I noticed even there the pricing is on the higher side.

Justtvh 02-05-2014 10:35 AM

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Justtvh 02-05-2014 10:41 AM

OK good I can post now... I would like to chime in here as well. I have been in contact with EVERY major, professional breeder in florida. I have only had 1/2 contact me back. It is frustrating. I want a pet but, I want show lines and ALL testing done beyond normal vet visits. ( That detail alone knocked alot of the breeders off my list. ) Liston boxers is in process of breeding their bitches this week, she only breeds in winter time. But, that is a 6 month wait for the pups and she has a waiting list a mile long. I spoke via email to garnsey boxers they advised last week that they had pups. I started asking questions and the emails stopped...... So I know " frustrated ".

Serena 02-05-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Justtvh (Post 1488490)
OK good I can post now... I would like to chime in here as well. I have been in contact with EVERY major, professional breeder in florida. I have only had 1/2 contact me back. It is frustrating. I want a pet but, I want show lines and ALL testing done beyond normal vet visits. ( That detail alone knocked alot of the breeders off my list. ) Liston boxers is in process of breeding their bitches this week, she only breeds in winter time. But, that is a 6 month wait for the pups and she has a waiting list a mile long. I spoke via email to garnsey boxers they advised last week that they had pups. I started asking questions and the emails stopped...... So I know " frustrated ".

I have been using email to pre-screen breeders on my list, for example if they mention testing on their website but don't go into detail I email and ask what type of testing is done. If they do the appropriate testing then I follow up with a phone call. Some call back, others don't.

We are seriously considering a rescue, too. It will probably take a few months but that's ok because we were prepared to wait anyway for a puppy. Good luck to you.

Joeponds 02-05-2014 08:05 PM

Clay at Garnsey Boxers has been breeding Champion Boxers for many years. He had a Great Dog Mad Max that had a great run. I think that he is AKC judging now.

Justtvh 02-05-2014 08:44 PM

Yes, I emailed clay. He responded one time that his bitch just had pups and I requested more info and heard nothing more. I'll call him tomorrow. One of my customers has one of his pups.



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