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Old 05-14-2016, 05:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm curious as to why they have so many different breed types..? I too think it looks like a knock off puppy mill, and when you say they have papers to prove their healthy, are you saying they health test the parents?
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Old 05-14-2016, 05:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Has anyone purchased a boxer from big paws kennel in Whitelaw Wisconsin?

Looking at a few puppies there but want to make sure we do our homework.

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From what I see it looks like they are a commercial dog breeding facility. They web site lists a total of 21 dogs. Boxer , Saint Bernards, and English Mastiffs. I see no OFA testing nor do I see any cardio on the boxers . It appears they are all raised in a chain link kennel facility .
So I don't know, I'd be weary, I'd visit and visit again when not expected. I also do not see any guarantee for genetic health issues for which we know these breeds are prone too.
I am quite sure in whatever your decision may be that the puppy will be cute as a button as we all love puppies! Look forward to hearing more.
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From what I see it looks like they are a commercial dog breeding facility. They web site lists a total of 21 dogs. Boxer , Saint Bernards, and English Mastiffs. I see no OFA testing nor do I see any cardio on the boxers . It appears they are all raised in a chain link kennel facility .
So I don't know, I'd be weary, I'd visit and visit again when not expected. I also do not see any guarantee for genetic health issues for which we know these breeds are prone too.
I am quite sure in whatever your decision may be that the puppy will be cute as a button as we all love puppies! Look forward to hearing more.
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all I can say is oi. Oh and THAT MANY BREEDS??? Doubt that any of those dogs are family raised?, well cared for? Would not touch that place with a ten foot pole!
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I agree. Responsible breeders ought to breed no more than perhaps two breeds within their "operation" - with most who even do breeding dogs that are similar, related by origin, etc. such as breeding Berners and Swissies or Rough-Coated and Smooth-Coated Collies, etc.

That being said, my very first Boxer was an impulse buy from a BYB, and he has perfect hips, great cardiac (been to cardiologist twice & is now eight) & looks and runs like a two year old. You may luck out too, but you may not. Use your best, informed opinion, BUT do realize that overall the Boxer (especially in North America because of past over-emphasis on conformation & little else) is a breed noted for its many health problems, & cancer & cardiac concerns are heartbreakers.

And although I fully comprehend that virtually no "respectable" breeders in North America use white dogs as breeding stock, I also still consider it even more unethical that breeders once "culled" (i.e.: murdered) all white pups in their litter - whether they were healthy or not - (and of course, most are no less healthy than colored).

The entire "culling" history is morally repugnant to me, so personally? If PUSHED to breed (and I'm not a breeder & have no desire to ever be) either a white healthy, beautiful, long-lived Boxer OR a colored dog with lineage who don't live beyond eight yrs. of age and have totally lost the drive & ability to perform the work the breed was intended for (this is hypothetical, remember?) - I'd breed a white dog. Just saying.

Add to that that of course at least one of the FIRST originators of the Boxer breed was a white dog (photos still in existence) and that white Boxers were once judged in conformation until, I believe after World War One(?) AND that a few European nations no longer agree with the exclusionary bias against white dogs in conformation and so these breeders & show enthusiasts are actively campaigning for white Boxers to once again be included in ALL areas within their country's respective registries, I don't consider it a federal crime.

Especially that justification for such exclusion no longer essentially exists. The ONLYreason white dogs were banned in Europe (and the AKC followed suit) is because as sentry, police & military dogs, their white coat color was too obtrusive for nighttime work ---- NOT because their conformation was off or their health was questionable.

Now coupled with the fact that the vast majority of show breeders do NOT "work" their dogs (specifically in terms of what this breed was initially bred to do) - I'm unclear how excluding white dogs in the present day here because of their visibility while on patrol as protection dogs has ANYTHING to do with anything.

In fact, there are NO veterinary studies that have concluded that white Boxer dogs are any less healthy than their colored counterparts other than a small percentage of deafness associated with the gene that produces the white coat color in ALL breeds such as Great Danes, Dalmations, etc.

So, from merely a reasonable standpoint, I cannot morally object to someone who breeds a healthy, long-lived, working type line of Boxers who threw in a white dog who conformed to standard (other than the aforementioned latter white-coated examples) and was health clearance checked, and was exceptional in terms of working ability.

The reason white Boxers are "thrown" approximately 25% of the time to begin with, is because the color white IS a naturally occurring color of Boxers and was since its earliest origins.

I know this posting may incite rioting in the streets, but that's just my opinion based upon historical fact and also the opinion of MANY others just beginning to make their voices heard.
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Dyson, not sure how this post regarding whites has anything to do with the original thread. Please feel free to start your own thread on the subject if you would like to engage others.
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Hi, It is consistent with the topic as one of the dogs being bred by the "breeder" in question (which began the entire discussion) is stated as being a white Boxer. Next, one of the breeders opined that no respectable breeder of Boxers would utilize a white dog in a breeding program. So the topic is mentioned twice in this thread prior to my own post.

However, if you wish to remove it nonetheless, I would very much appreciate your relocating it under a new thread as opposed to simply erasing it. Is that possible? I believe it has been done in the past.
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Ah, I see what post you are referring to. Gypsiemouse who is a moderator is not a breeder btw.

I could create a new thread but it needs some rewording for it to make sense. I agree that it is an interesting subject and if you didn't mind, I would appreciate if you created a new thread on the subject. Just copy and paste from your original post and let's see how others weigh in on the matter
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Well....I'd be happy to except for the fact that I'm technologically challenged. (Over 50 and all) However, I will ask my neighbor's daughter in college for help & hope I can get it done that way. If it's still there in a couple of days, please just do with it what you may & know I somehow wasn't able to do. Sorry for the ineptitude.
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Dyson, I do agree with your summation of the white boxer, I've even seen a few litters where the best of the litter would be the "white one". Must be the recessive genes, and if you had to choose a pup go for the check, less chance of deafness.

Talking about white Boxers one of the most gorgeous litters I have even seen was from a white bitch and a genetically plain male, a litter of 9 every pup was flashy with full collars with a least 4 show prospects.
The bitch was from healthy long lived lines and was used only once..why not I would.

As for breeder's in WI Savoye rings a bell and maybe harmony? it's been a while.

And you could check out Referrals from Green acres Boxer Rescue, they will put you on a quality pup from a reputable breeder.

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