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Old 02-25-2017, 01:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is it normal for good reputable breeders who have beautiful dogs not participate in showing their dogs? They breed just to better the breed and for better health from what I was told. They have good referrals as well as proof of all the necessary health testing. If something has some input that would be much appreciated. Thanks!!!
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Old 02-25-2017, 01:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How are their dogs proven? In dealing with working dogs, I won't go near anyone that does not prove their dogs. Be it titles, or actual working dogs.
I don't think it's the norm for higher end
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How are their dogs proven? In dealing with working dogs, I won't go near anyone that does not prove their dogs. Be it titles, or actual working dogs.
I don't think it's the norm for higher end
Thank you for that information. I was thinking along the same lines as you mentioned. You can never be too careful when considering a future fur baby.
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I very rarely show or work my dogs and I'll tell you why.......

First off, in regards to showing.....

Europeans are frowned upon in the show ring. That goes for both Canada and the US. They are to heavy in bone, to muscular and have very different heads/muzzles. It is VERY hard to get judges to value them in the ring. Showing is not only expensive but it is very political...I have many horror stories that we personally faced when titling our boy a couple years ago.

Secondly...working the breed, I live 2 hrs away from any training association (schutzhund). Even with the distance, I contacted the few that were within a 3 hr driving radius and they were very anti boxer. To many only malnois and GSD are proper candidates. I wasn't very hopeful when discussing future training with them.

I place my puppies in pet homes on spay neuter agreements. The average pet owner does not need a show/working prospect. They are looking for a healthy, health tested, well rounded family companion. For dogs that excel in working homes, many are not suitable for average families. They are usually high energy, high drive and take a lot of time/training on a daily basis. They crave physical and mental stimulation and the majority of people have no idea how to "work and manage" these personalities. These are the people that call me to return the dog because it becomes destructive due to boredom or in their mind is to hard to train and stubborn.

So it sounds nice that your puppy is from IPO lines and the parents are worked but you really have no clue what you are getting yourself into.
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Secondly...working the breed, I live 2 hrs away from any training association (schutzhund). Even with the distance, I contacted the few that were within a 3 hr driving radius and they were very anti boxer. To many only malnois and GSD are proper candidates. I wasn't very hopeful when discussing future training with them.

I place my puppies in pet homes on spay neuter agreements. The average pet owner does not need a show/working prospect. They are looking for a healthy, health tested, well rounded family companion. For dogs that excel in working homes, many are not suitable for average families. They are usually high energy, high drive and take a lot of time/training on a daily basis. They crave physical and mental stimulation and the majority of people have no idea how to "work and manage" these personalities. These are the people that call me to return the dog because it becomes destructive due to boredom or in their mind is to hard to train and stubborn.

So it sounds nice that your puppy is from IPO lines and the parents are worked but you really have no clue what you are getting yourself into.
That's a shame that they would limit breeds. They are really limiting the opportunity to grow in training and their potential as a club. Luckily around here there are a few good clubs that are not breed exclusive or snobbish.
I'm curious how you ensure your puppies are to bred standard, and that's not a dig on what you said. Honest question. I guess when I get a boxer, I want a boxer. Not a lab. Same with my other dog.
Also, I disagree about working lines being too much dog. There are a lot that are very balanced and fit into a pet home very well. High drive is different than high energy

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I import my dogs from all over Europe. They are from some of the best lines you can possibly find. Their parents have been extensively shown. I personally would not breed them if I didn't think they were to standard. I am quite capable of evaluating and criticizing my own breeding dogs. I don't need a political show ring to do that for me

I also don't need to test working ability. For me health/temperament is far more important.
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I import my dogs from all over Europe. They are from some of the best lines you can possibly find. Their parents have been extensively shown. I personally would not breed them if I didn't think they were to standard. I am quite capable of evaluating and criticizing my own breeding dogs. I don't need a political show ring to do that for me

I also don't need to test working ability. For me health/temperament is far more important.
Makes sense. Thank you.
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Thank you for the useful information! It's been quite helpful!
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I did a little showing almost 40 years ago. I had a miniature schnauzer that I purchased from a show breeder/groomer...vet. She felt though my dog was on the large size she wouldn't do well in the ring. But we bred her a few times because she thru really nice pups. Several ended up as champions. I kept one and he was shown and did well but we never finished him. The show ring is very political and there were times where you knew or your handler , as I used a handler, she knew a certain judge would not like anything she had in the ring so we would skip that or go to another show. It was so political at times it mattered whose lines the dog came from to the color of your dress. One of the dogs from this line actually ended up as a winner in a Westminster show many years later. I found breeding too expensive, plus I started having children and it was a lot of work. I did love it but just couldn't continue. All the pups I sold had their ears cropped, dew claws done, tails docked, eye's checked by vet optomologist and were groomed before going to there forever home. And where we went for ears was a 2 hours drive each way because this was the best place for ear cropping at that time and since many of the pups had show potential we wanted it done right. I think I had a good mentor. LOL
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