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Old 10-05-2018, 07:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Sorry for the delay in responding, and to anything in other threads directed at me I may have missed but I cannot figure out how to get emails when new responses are added to threads for some reason, just saw all these helpful responses today. Thanks again, everyone!
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A kennel that works their dogs is a nice to have but is not not a knock out criteria for me when it comes to finding a good breeder. I bought Ben from a kennel that has been breeding boxers for 30 years, the breeder is near 70 years old, he does not work the dog anymore. Males tend to be worked more than females, females go through pregnancy and the time after birth so they have less time to work. It’s the experience that counts, knowing how to select the right male to breed and a male that matches the female.
Health testing is a must and that the breeder will answer any and all questions and that he or she will readily provide all health documents including family trees – if he or she will not or cannot then I won’t buy there.
A female boxer with HD “C” is not necessarily and issue with me as long as the breeder is looking for a male with an with HD “A”. This is telling me that the breeder is doing something about the HD issue. If the breeder is not concerned that the male is also a “C” I would not buy there.
Health testing and results are a must have, yet there is no guarantee that the pups will be free of any future health issues, testing and matching the males to the females will however at least minimize the risk.
Finally, I also need to like the looks of the parents.
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Old 10-06-2018, 09:25 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I've met the breeder at one of the US Boxer Association events. I also have a female from one of his bitches. Here's a link from his website.


https://www.chicagolandboxers.com/awards.html


I would guess that his dogs have higher drives because they are from working lines. Food drive, and prey drive are higher because they are important in training for Schutzhund, and French Ring. If this is your first Boxer, and you want to work your new dog, you should live nearby to a club that does this. They are not easy to find. Maybe you're in the Chicago area.
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A kennel that works their dogs is a nice to have but is not not a knock out criteria for me when it comes to finding a good breeder. I bought Ben from a kennel that has been breeding boxers for 30 years, the breeder is near 70 years old, he does not work the dog anymore. Males tend to be worked more than females, females go through pregnancy and the time after birth so they have less time to work. It’s the experience that counts, knowing how to select the right male to breed and a male that matches the female.
Health testing is a must and that the breeder will answer any and all questions and that he or she will readily provide all health documents including family trees – if he or she will not or cannot then I won’t buy there.
A female boxer with HD “C” is not necessarily and issue with me as long as the breeder is looking for a male with an with HD “A”. This is telling me that the breeder is doing something about the HD issue. If the breeder is not concerned that the male is also a “C” I would not buy there.
Health testing and results are a must have, yet there is no guarantee that the pups will be free of any future health issues, testing and matching the males to the females will however at least minimize the risk.
Finally, I also need to like the looks of the parents.

I agree with all of this, except that I might be willing to buy a puppy from a mother with C hips and father with B, if almost everything else were perfect. That would be the case if Resistance is bred to Aramis, and I really do like Aramis. Puppies from their last litter look very nice. Then if she's bred to Janabol, he has A hips. But he's fawn, so half or more of the puppies might be too, and I definitely want a brindle female. More brindles are likely with Aramis.
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I've met the breeder at one of the US Boxer Association events. I also have a female from one of his bitches. Here's a link from his website.


https://www.chicagolandboxers.com/awards.html


I would guess that his dogs have higher drives because they are from working lines. Food drive, and prey drive are higher because they are important in training for Schutzhund, and French Ring. If this is your first Boxer, and you want to work your new dog, you should live nearby to a club that does this. They are not easy to find. Maybe you're in the Chicago area.

Yes, as I wrote, I've already seen that page, and it's nice that he's done so much with his past dogs, but the two he told me he's breeding next, Black Jaxx and Lourdes, are not mentioned on that page at all, and he will not give me their pedigrees (they're not in any database I've seen) or their health test results or tell me anything about what they've done in competition, plus he does not test any of his dogs for DM. That's just too many negatives. I have no idea what reason a breeder could possibly have for refusing to provide this basic information.


This will by my 5th Boxer, and while I am not interested in Schutzhund, I would like to compete in AKC rally, obedience, agility, etc. and think dogs from working lines are more likely to be better at these activities, as well as more athletic, which is also important to me as I walk/run/hike several miles almost daily with my dogs and lead a very active lifestyle in general, taking my dogs with me almost everywhere.
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Very different experiences. It looks like you are looking elsewhere anyway.
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Keep looking where? I've been all over the internet and have not found any better than this one for what I'm wanting. If you have a suggestion I'm all ears, and eyes.


Yes, the lack of working titles on the parents isn't my preference, but many other relatives of these dogs do have strong working titles, and I can't find a breeder who meets every one of my requirements. That's the only one this breeder lacks. Most of them lack a bunch of them.



Thank you!
If you are wanting to sport/comp your new pup, IHMO get a pup from working parents and a breeder the works them or look for a older pup so you kind of know what you're getting..
Working Boxers aren't that easy to find.. no reason to take a chance on a none working parents/breeders.. if thats what you're looking.
If it's not then it doesn't really matter.

As to "where" I would invest $50 and become a member of US Boxer Assoc. There are a decent amount of working breeder there. I'm sure if you asked there you would get a few more names.

If you don't mind importing, Z ringu has produced some really nice dogs.
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If you are wanting to sport/comp your new pup, IHMO get a pup from working parents and a breeder the works them or look for a older pup so you kind of know what you're getting..
Working Boxers aren't that easy to find.. no reason to take a chance on a none working parents/breeders.. if thats what you're looking.
If it's not then it doesn't really matter.

As to "where" I would invest $50 and become a member of US Boxer Assoc. There are a decent amount of working breeder there. I'm sure if you asked there you would get a few more names.

If you don't mind importing, Z ringu has produced some really nice dogs.
What is the difference between a puppy from a working dog line and and one that is not?
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What is the difference between a puppy from a working dog line and and one that is not?
Pretty simple, a better chance you're going to get a pup with the genetics to work.
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Working the dog doesn’t drive the genetics, the boxer is genetically already a working dog. A non “working line” puppy can be trained to work
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