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lori359 02-10-2009 08:05 PM

Explain please questions about contracts with breeders :?:
Ok so I have been actively looking for about 4 months for a breeder with the perfect pup to add to my family. I reallyyyyy want a reverse sealed female, or a reverse brindle. I have come across a few (most) breeders that seem great, and have had a couple recommended from a board member (thanks!) however, most reputable breeders tend to have a clause that I do not truelly understand. The whole Co owner thing. I really want a "show" prospect pup bc it is something that interest me and I think it would be fun to do with my son. However this whole thing of being required to do so many shows by a certain time plus breeding and the "coowner" or original breeder getting their pick of pups..yet me still being the only one responsible for all the cost of course...this just doesnt make sense to me, I am buying a pup for a high price I may add, plus I am responsible for giving you what amounts $$ wise to a good bit in puppy, plus I am 100% responsible for all this money for shows that are required and all the applicable testing so you get a whole lot for nothing??? Also what if I dont want to breed then from what I gather I pay you an extra large sum? (the last one I looked over was like $2500 more!!) This does not seem like fair practice to me :o :( I am trying to do the right thing and buy a high quality pup but gee that is asking A LOT out of me. Any thoughts?

tracim_1970 02-10-2009 08:08 PM

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i truly understand where your coming from but really have no idea on the subject when it comes to this, i'm interested though to see how what your describing works with breeders and new owners..good luck and i hope you just get the pretty girl your looking for!

msdiamonddawg 02-10-2009 08:14 PM

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Yeah, my sister told me to watch for and stay far away from this clause when I was looking for Tango. Makes no sense to me either.

lori359 02-10-2009 08:32 PM

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Glad to know I am not the only one who questions this. I wonder if there is a good breeder who does not have this requirement??

lori359 02-10-2009 10:29 PM

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Newcastle 02-10-2009 10:58 PM

Re: Explain please questions about contracts with breeders :?:
Many good breeders will have co-ownership clauses for novice show/breeding owners, but I wouldn't agree to what you describe. It's mostly a kind of 'safety net', to ensure that the buyer isn't just 'talking the talk' to get a full (breedable) registration with no intention of actually showing or health testing the bitch.

If you're seriously interested in showing, then the show requirements shouldn't be too much of a hardship, assuming they're reasonable and there is an allowance for extenuating circumstances. (That's probably a fairly large assumption!) The breeder does want to make sure you make an honest attempt at getting points on the dog, though - far too many novices show in the puppy classes for a month, decide their dog isn't winning because of "politics" (when it's really that the dog just isn't mature yet and shouldn't be winning), and never show again.

Puppy(ies) back is very common, though I personally would not agree to (or ask for) first pick puppy, even if splitting the litter - the owner is the one with the most blood, sweat, and tears (and money!) in the breeding, and should get the first pick, IMO. I also think that if you're asking for puppies back, you shouldn't be charging full price for the bitch; most ask pet price for the bitch and second pick puppy back. There are a wide variety of options here: you could pay for the bitch but share all costs related to the litter and split the litter (owner gets picks 1,3,5, breeder gets picks 2, 4, 6); you could get the bitch free and give the first litter back, but you keep first pick; you could pay full price for the bitch but give the breeder first option to buy a puppy (after your pick) for the same price. (And that's not counting the many possible arrangements for dogs!) If the bitch turns out not to be show/breeding quality and you've paid pet price for her, you're usually allowed to spay her and the breeding terms are nullified; if you paid full price for her, you'll often get a refund back to pet price (or credit toward another puppy). If you decide you just don't want to show or breed, you may be required to let the breeder have a litter from the bitch, but most of the time that probably wouldn't be involved; if you paid full price for the bitch, you're probably out of luck on that, and if you paid pet price you may be done, but you may need to make up the difference to full price. (Some would require you to pay the price of the puppy you didn't give them, as well.) Most breeders will be accommodating if there are life events, financial troubles, etc. that get in the way, but if you just change your mind then you may be penalized for failing to live up to your end of the agreement.

Remember, too, that you're getting more than just a puppy out of the bargain - you're getting a mentor, a support system, often a handler, and years of knowledge on which to draw - for the life of your dog and beyond. (Which is just another reason why it's so important to find a good, responsible, ethical breeder! :) )

lori359 02-10-2009 11:08 PM

Re: Explain please questions about contracts with breeders :?:
Thanks for the explanation, I guess the breeder I was reviewing is just a little to much for me, which sucks bc they are close by and have the perfect pup! Back to searching I go

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