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Old 06-17-2009, 03:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Default What would you think of this breeder in Pennsylvania...

I don't want to imply that I'm at all advertising for this breeder, because I myself don't know and am looking to hopefully make a pup addition within the next 5-8 months. I found this site just searching for in-state Boxer websites and such, of course I found a few that pissed me off (one was a nationwide network and came up searching Pennsylvania Boxer Breeders as well as Maryland Boxer Breeders...same exact puppies...a list of about 12-15 pups with the small print at the bottom of the site saying these puppies are not necessarily from PA)

Anyway, this was one breeder that was standing out to me (as well as her dogs) and I was wondering what everyone though, or if anyone had dealt with this breeder on a prior occasion. The site says she has show-quality dogs that are family pets first and foremost, that she has been breeding for 40 years, talk of showing and many doggie accomplishments on the male pages there is health-test talk but I may have missed it (or it wasn't there) on the female pages

http://howdiboxer.weebly.com/home.html

Partner is such a beauty...site says he was born in '05 which gives me hope that there may be future litters available. I actually followed up and stumbled across the same breeder (apparently) while searching on the AKC site (the K9 ad. AKC registered classified or whatever) and I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how reputable the breeder and bred dogs are.

Fortunately for someone, but unfortunate for me, they have 2 male pups and 2 female pups littered on May 28th. I'm not convinced I'd be able to buy from this litter (if she were even willing to sell, haven't reached out yet) but am hoping within the next 5-8 months...that could come down substantially to 2-3 months but time will tell. I don't know what these numbers next to the sire and dam mean, or why there is DNA listed for one/not the other. This is what I found on the AKC search:

Litter Information
Sire: CH Howdi Partner's Main Man (WS13020420)
DNA:AKC DNA #V563165
OFA / OFEL:
CERF:
Click to Purchase Pedigree

Dam: Howdi Partner's Aint Missbehavn (WS23003803)
DNA:
OFA / OFEL:
CERF:
Click to Purchase Pedigree

DOB: May 28, 2009
Males: 2 Females: 2

There are hardly any clues that pups are a goal by going to the Howdi Boxer website which is something I personally found appealing, meaning that her purpose wasn't selling pups fast with no questions asked but rather rarely having pups and being confident that she could sell a handful through word of mouth, reputation, friends...and so on. Of course I may very well be reading way too much into that.

This was along with the above dog information, and wasn't completed although I don't hold that against a breeder that may/may not be computer literate, and may very well have done everything right with her adults/litters-pups and be able to produce proof of such. Some of the answers to those questions are easily identifiable on the Howdi Boxers website which also doesn't make me as concerned that there aren't a checklist of 'YES' on the AKC classified search. The site itself says she is a member of the Saucon Boxer Club (PA), Pennsylvania Federation of Dog Breeders, Pocono Mountain (PA) Kennel Club, has been breeding for over forty years, conformation show boxers, and so on.

Breeder's Profile: Judy Hahn
1. YES I provide AKC dog registration applications to the puppy buyer.
2. --- I am a member of an AKC Parent Club .
3. --- I am a member of an AKC specialty club.
4. --- I am a member of an AKC licensed or AKC member all-breed club.
5. --- The applicable health screens have been performed on the sire and dam as recommended by the Parent Club for this breed. (AKC recommends you ask about health issues as discussed on the web pages of the respective AKC Parent Club). Please make sure appropriate certification data, which is recorded by the AKC, is recorded for the sire and dam if indicating yes.
6. --- I will provide a written bill of sale detailing responsibilities for the buyer and the seller.
7. --- If the puppy buyer cannot keep a puppy purchased from me, I will take the puppy back under all conditions.
8. --- I will provide the puppy buyer with information about socialization, exercise, training, feeding, immunizations, proper veterinary care, and responsible dog ownership.
9. --- I provide a health guarantee for the puppies I sell.
10. --- I permanently identify all my breeding stock by microchip or tattoo.
11. --- After my puppies are permanently identified, I enroll them in AKC Companion Animal Recovery.
12. --- My dogs compete in the following AKC events:
13. --- I have been breeding for:


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Old 06-17-2009, 08:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The first thing I notic is that she owns both parents, I don't like that. So rarely does it happen that an ideal breeding mate for your dog is right in your backyard. I'd meet her but keep searching.
I'm assuming his dna is listed because he's a champion and she's not a show dog, could be wrong though.
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Because the stud is DNA and not the mother dog, this could indicate he has been bred in excess of 10 times, (I think that is the number, it could be less) the AKC requires a DNA on studs used often, although many do it just for the benifit of the breeding itself.

How many bitches does she own? Does she breed all her bitches to this one stud dog?

Would she be willing to give a list of previous buyers for you to call and find out how their experience with buying a puppy from her?

Also, contact the club she belongs to and find out if she is still an active member and in good standing.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the two replies so far, I appreciate them. I have emailed her but I don't want to speak on the phone with her or ask to meet in person because I'd probably end up buying a puppy....SRSLY.

I can only go by the website at this point, and it lists both 3 males and 4 females....with the front page of the site having all three of the dogs listed under 'Boys' as being available for stud service. I don't know if she consistently breeds between her own dogs or not but I just noticed under girls that one of the girls shown was born in '08 and it says the female is the daughter of both Partner and Utah (a male and female listed under 'My Boys' & 'My Girls').

It is a lot harder understanding this stuff than I thought it'd be. Who wants to get to the point of being ready to buy a pup, and talking on the phone or showing up and asking a breeder claiming 40 + years of experience whether she does anything but breed her own dogs. That would probably be a pretty big insult.
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The letters after the dogs name indicate their AKC reg #, but what concerns me is where are the health testing results? She has OFA, which is hips, no information tho..but I would like to know what the ECHO and 24 Holter Monitor said..I would like those provided..It does concern me if she is consistently using her own stock for breeding, oh sure I can see it occasionally, but generally, you go to another dog..By doing all as "in house" bredding" it tells me that she really isn't serious about improving the standard..Myself personally, I would look to another breeder..



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Old 06-17-2009, 09:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Howdi Partner's Ain't Misbehavin' is the dam? That would be Peanut - her birthdate is July 25, 2007. She isn't even 2 years old yet! American Boxer Club's Code of Ethics states that health tests should be performed after the dog is 2 years old, then breeding should occur after that if all tests have been passed. Based on the simple fact that they bred Peanut around 18 months, I would avoid this breeder.
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Good catch Steph, I missed that one Also if she is breeding too many litters a year, that's also a red flag..A good breeder thinks long and hard about who she mates, those are questions you need to ask



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Howdi Partner's Ain't Misbehavin' is the dam? That would be Peanut - her birthdate is July 25, 2007. She isn't even 2 years old yet! American Boxer Club's Code of Ethics states that health tests should be performed after the dog is 2 years old, then breeding should occur after that if all tests have been passed. Based on the simple fact that they bred Peanut around 18 months, I would avoid this breeder.
What happened was, I was really excited about this particular breeder. I had viewed the website, quickly scanned the dogs and the quite puppies under some of the stud dogs own pages, and sent her an email.

Later on I had been looking at the AKC website or the ABC (can't remember which) and saw that K9 ADV. AKC breeder search...so I typed in my zip and put it on the max (200 miles) which yielded many results...the Howdi Boxer website gave no indication of pups from a litter still being available so I was shocked/pretty excited when I came across the same email/breeder through the search.

That was where the information was posted about Partner (the dog I thought looked awesome), the dam (Peanut), and both 2 males/females from a litter on May 28th. Now back to Howdi Boxers website, under 'Girls', Peanut is indeed listed with the DOB you just posted (July 25th 2007)....so the search result that was yielded, and the information the breeder must've provided is that Partner/Peanut had a litter on May 28th and the breeder claims Peanut's DOB on her website as July 25th '07.


DEEP BREATH....SIGH. [-O< Thanks for the help.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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No worries, where are you located in PA? I have a fair number of PA breeders saved in my favorites. We live in SW PA, about 50 miles from Pittsburgh, and I know a couple of good breeders around here. I also know of some near Philly, and some within driving distance in NY and MD.
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The letters after the dogs name indicate their AKC reg #, but what concerns me is where are the health testing results? She has OFA, which is hips, no information tho..but I would like to know what the ECHO and 24 Holter Monitor said..I would like those provided..It does concern me if she is consistently using her own stock for breeding, oh sure I can see it occasionally, but generally, you go to another dog..By doing all as "in house" bredding" it tells me that she really isn't serious about improving the standard..Myself personally, I would look to another breeder..
That was from the search on the AKC or ABC website using K9 ADV. AKC breeder search....I ASSume the info was provided by the breeder as having had a litter May 28th between Partner/Peanut (not 2 YO yet according to the breeders listed DOB on her website). I noticed while looking at the females that none of them necessarily have CH next to their name nor does it really say anything about health tests....it shows 4 females under 'My Girls', with one of the four being just born in Nov. of '08.

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FWIW on the website it does say this about CH Howdi Partner's Main Man (PARTNER)

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Partner is a flashy fawn male and has been out on the circuit for awhile. He is finally back at home for a nice long vacation. In 2007, he was specialed and in 2008 he was shown at Westminster. He is a multiple breed, group, and show winner! He is fully health certified and has had his thyroid, holter, and echo tested normal.
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