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Old 07-19-2009, 12:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, I was able to talk to Lou Anne & she was very nice to deal with & very informative. Unfortunately she doesn't have any "pet" pups at this time. She said that she used a holter test on all parents & doppler on all studs & on bitches who had a murmur. She also tests for thyroid but doesn't test for hips as she doesn't believe that hips are really a large problem in the breed.

That being said...I've been searching continually & stumbled upon a breeder out in the Pittsburgh area. She only sells Boxers for pet purposes & asks $850! I know, sounds like a BYB...but, here's the rest. She won't even deal with you until you fill out a pretty extensive application (which I did). All her dogs are sold with the understanding that you will spay or neuter them. She tests all her parents with a holter monitor but not doppler. She also screens for thyroid but also does not test for hips (same reasoning as Lou Anne & several other Boxer breeders I spoke to). She also does a full blood panel on the mother before breeding. None of her females are breed before 2 & non older than 5 with a minimum of a year apart. If her dog has 3 litters within that time frame it is retired as are any dogs who are older than 5. She offers a 1 year health guarantee as well. She's been breeding for 14 years & her pups are kept in the house with the family. She does not require a deposit to hold a dog for you as she believes that no one should be forced to take a puppy if they change their mind. Idk, she sounds pretty good & everything she said to me plus everything in her sales contract is centered around the welfare of the dog. I would appreciate some feedback but of all the breeders I talked to she has been one of the nicest & pickiest about who she deals with. Also, the dogs are beautiful! I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
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I'm impressed with her reasoning.A good breeder WILL have you fill out a pretty in depth application, I don't blame them..Sounds like she sells with a s/n contract, that good Her testing theories to me are pretty sound and I like her breeding practices as well, which is wise..I know my breeder also asks for deposits, which are refunded, should you change your mind, she actually doen't even cash them until the pup is sold...

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Old 07-19-2009, 12:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Who is the breeder from Pittsburgh? I'm from that area.
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Old 07-19-2009, 01:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Sounds decent but I would ask why she doesn't Doppler; the Holter and Doppler look for different things. While Doppler-cleared parents can produce affected puppies, the level of disease is much less significant and generally does not affect the quality or length of life. Parents who have the disease, however, can produce puppies that are severely affected and at risk for collapse and sudden death.

A one-year health guarantee is of limited usefulness; many genetic conditions don't develop until the dog is 2 years or older, and none of the clearances can be done until 2 years of age. Also, many guarantees require you to return the dog before any restitution is given - and so of course most breeders don't have to 'pay up' because most people are unwilling to give back their dogs. (I'm not saying that's the case with this particular breeder, just something to keep in mind.)

I'd also want to know how she obtains objective evaluations of structure (conforming to the standard) and temperament. I know often people feel those aren't important for "just a pet" puppy, but they can have a significant impact on the long-term health and welfare of the dog. The best chances of a happy, healthy, typey, stable, long-lived puppy is from a breeder who considers health, structure, and temperament to be of equal importance.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:29 AM   #15 (permalink)
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IF you are still looking for a breeder I just posted this in another thread and could be a decent start.

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If you're looking for boxers in NJ. I would look into Avalon Boxers - . They are supposively reputable. I contacted them twice and they never got back to me. But maybe you'll have better luck. I've heard good things about them. Also try Pheasant Hollow Boxers out of Walkill, NY. It's like 10 min from NJ. I went to visit Kerry Jones there in April and she was great. The dogs were beautiful, especially Louie. He was as solid as can be and a great looking dog. Pheasant Hollow has a couple female's about to whelp in July and August. Good luck.
Also, the price for a pup when I was inquiring for Pheasant Hollow was $2,000.
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