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Old 10-30-2009, 10:20 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Does Dr. Meurs say why she sends you to Portland for holtering? She runs a holter rental/reading service, so it's a little odd that she'd not just do it there, but maybe all her monitors were out?

Thanks for clarifying that you show in IABCA; I expect they're not as strict about registrations as the AKC is, so the fact that the bitch wasn't registered at the time of breeding wouldn't be a deal-breaker like it is with AKC. I'll admit I'm still kind of reeling at the stud fee you were charged, especially with that hip status, but then again I'd imagine lots of people would be reeling at the 6,000 miles I drove to get a breeding for my last litter! Never underestimate the lengths to which a breeder will go to breed to the ideal stud dog, eh?

I agree about adding health testing information/philosophy to your website. You don't have to list the results, since they (some of them) change every year, but some general information on what tests you do is definitely helpful and will encourage the best prospective owners to contact you for further information, rather than just skipping you entirely because it appears as if you don't do any real health testing at all. (That's a generic "you", really, it applies to any breeder.)
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:29 AM   #62 (permalink)
 
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Hello

Yes, I came back again !!
Ti-amo is 4 years old ( I got her in April) 2009 & like I said before I had no reason to believe the papers would NOT be transfered.
I do have copies of her FCI and CKC but they do me no good. I have contacted CKC as I mentioned before & yes, Ti-amo is registered so the copies that I have are legit .... seems she hasn't paid her dues either, CKC is very helpful ... much more then AKC.
I am actually by-passing the person that I got her from & have a friend working with Elisabeth Von Brunnen kennel to help me, I only need her FCI (not copies) might be a long shot ??? Ti-amo had two litters with Serena & I agreed to only breed her once which would be her 3rd. My girls are bred 3 times and they are spayed.
Also as far as showing IABCA does require the dog be registered which is why I cannot show Ti-amo,
they do accept other registries though and are judged by AKC judges. I enjo the IABCA shows ... the people are friendly and is is not as political as AKC shows. The people can wear what they want & the dogs don't have to stand perfectly still like statues, it's also a great place for puppies to gain experience.
Also as I posted before they add was written with respect for other breeders of REGISTERED puppies for sale in the area. That is why it is generic. I do release my health testing info to my puppy owners & they go home with a packet containing copies of all.

Everyone here have beautiful Boxers & I love the pics!
Thank you for all of the helpful input.

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Old 10-31-2009, 12:41 AM   #63 (permalink)
 
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Angelo's hip status is good. I know the breeder & I know the lines
Sire; Toekaan van de Boksdoorn Dam; Yra van de Boksdoorn.
He has a blood panel once a year too to screen for other defects. He is now 10 years old
& has never had a surgery except for his ear crop.
I would pay the stud fee many times over for the quality of pups that I get. It beats importing a pup & hoping he/she looks as great when they get here as they did in their pics. I get to choose from my whole litter
I have copies of his tests too.

Angelo van de boksdoorn:
test results and info.
Dob Septmeber 06.2000.

Health test2

Hips; good

Heart; clear

Thyroid; normal

Cancer; free

Liver Kidney function; normal
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:16 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Sami, I apologize for my rudeness..I was somewhat taken back when some of my questions weren't answered...most breeders I talk to insist they do health testing before they've bred their dog...just to find out their version of health testing means getting the dog a physical before the breeding. Every breeder states they have high quality puppies, every breeder... So, I've learned to be very specific. Thank you for the clarification. And....yes I agree with gotlucky...stating what health tests were done on the parents would of put alot of us here at ease, and be more beneficial for you in finding knowledgable good boxer homes for your babies. But no matter what $400 is a very good deal for one of your boxers.
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Did Kim have his hips re-tested? His pedigree says they're borderline dysplastic.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:41 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Sami,

The test was evaluated in Germany, right?

HD A = Free
HD B = Borderline
HD C = light form of HD
HD D = middle form of HD
HD E = heavy form of HD

It is always nice to have HD A, but B is fine if you cann breed with other dogs that have HD A
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yes, he was x-rayed here in the states & received "Good". He was young when he came here, I think about 8 months so his testing in Germany was done at a very young age. I don't know if they re test them over there as they get older ... I would assume that they do ?
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Thanks for clarifying. He's not in the OFA database, so anyone looking can only go with what's on Kim's website. The pedigree shows that his hips were x-rayed in Germany just after he turned 2 years old, though (or maybe the films were sent there?).

This is a good example of why listing what tests are done on a website, but not necessarily the results, might be a better option - it saves on confusion!
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:14 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Sami,

Just wanted to let you know that we also had problems with Sadoren Boxers.We purchased a puppy from them in January 2009.He is supposed to be purebred,tattooed and ckc registered,we have yet to find a tattoo on him and have not recieved any registeration papers as of yet.We do have blood line papers from his mother Ti amo.

So from the looks of it we both may have been taken from this byb
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I also purchased a boxer from Serena at Sadoren. Paperwork also an issue. I was told the puppy received 2 sets of shots before exchange at 12 weeks but have no proof in the form of documentation. Did anyone else with a Sadoren experience receive a medical booklet? or proof of shots?
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