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Old 03-13-2010, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Has anyone bought a pup from Landos breeders?

Hello,
I am new to this board, and am hoping I am in the right place. We are looking to add a boxer pup to our family and want to get a puppy from a reputable breeder. I have come across a few breeders, but don't really know who is "good" and who are the ones that are BYB in disguise.
I saw Landos boxers, and spoke with them (no visits yet) but am a little worried because they seem to breed and have lots of pups within a couple of months (different dogs though) and they also ship their boxers to whomever--is that normal for an ethical breeder to do that? Any advice/opinions are really appreciated. The owner sent me her contract-again, some of it seems great (heart/hip/temperament 3 yr guarantee) but some of it seems sketchy (if for any reason I cannot keep the pup, the breeder has "first right of refusal" for a discounted price). I am new to getting a pup from a breeders, so I don't know if this is common practice?

If anyone has got their pup/dog from Landos and has feedback that would be great. If anyone knows of another good-ethical breeder in Central Ontario (Prefer GTA/Simcoe areas) I would really appreciate the feedback.

Thank you so much for your help!!
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have one of Landos Boxers and he is a great dog.If you live near Woodstock you can come up and see him.Just call me at 519 462 2552
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I know nothing about Landos boxers. My biggest concern would be that all health testing has been done. Giving a heart/hip guarantee for three years doesn't really mean much since since most boxers wont have those problems at that age. However you can begin to test for heart at 2 although some say it is too early, first right of refusal is something that is very standard in almost all breeders contracts as we do not want you to pass on our babies to just anyone and have them end up in shelters, rescues or in homes that will not properly care for them. I am not sure what you mean by discounted price, most breeders will exchange the puppy for a same quality puppy if you give the puppy back for health or temperment reasons but if you simply change your mind and not longer want the dog or can care for the dog typically the breeder would simply take the dog back with no money being refunded. This is my experience in the past. Shipping really depends on the breeder I know most breeders really would rather not ship a puppy across the country or just anywhere because onethey would want to be able to do a home visit and see where the puppy would be staying and second that is a lot of stress on a small puppy however I know for the right home many will make exceptions.
Having lots of litters is a little scary but it depends too is this a normal practise or do they simply happen to have more then one litter at this time. I think I would be concerned if this was the typical but again doesnt mean it is a BYB but may be a red flag. Are both parents Champions? I have never seen a BYB with both parents as Champions so that would be a good sign although many breeders will breed a mother who is not a Champion if she really compliments a nice Champion male. Becareful of breeders who make a big deal about having a Champion bloodlines and showing you 5 generation pedigrees to show it since most dogs enless they are from generation after generation of BYB will have Champions in their 3 year pedigree. I good breeder will have at least one and in most cases both parents who are Champions.
So again I would make sure all health testing has been done, 24 hour Holter, Thyroid, OFA and even possibly DNA test for DM and hips tested. I would say the forst three are manditory or I would not even look at the puppies.
Just my thoughts.
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Old 03-14-2010, 01:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I am assuming this is the breeder out of Canada. If so, I would pass. I see nothing about health testing and to have so many dogs you can bet they are all in a kennel. A good breeder usually only has a couple of boxers that they breed and usually only breed once a year at most per boxer. They are almost always welped in the home, not stuck outside in a kennel. This sounds like a money making project. I'm not going to use the term "puppy mill" because I have not seen how or where they live. But, it does sounds like a definate overabundance of boxer breeding. I would definately run the other way and look elsewhere.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Go onto the Northern Ontario Boxer Club and look at their member listings.... There are some wonderful ethical breeders who do health testing... While they might not be breeding themselves they might be able to direct you....

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If you have ever talked to Linda- from landos boxers- on the phone you would know that her dogs are in home. If you are really lucky you will hear Argos antics!

I think a lot on here know my stance with Landos boxers so I will not dive into it. On another note... I am hoping to fly up to ON this summer and visit her kennel and I will be sure to post lots of info if I manager to get the time off to do so.

I have a Landos Boxer bitch and find her wonderful to train and work. If you are apprehensive about her health testing ask to see supporting documentation. Take what you read (opinions) with a grain of salt b/c there is usually some bitter history behind it.

Trust but verify.
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I'd say I agree with 2wildboxers. I looked at their site. A reputable breeder will yell from the rooftops about health testing. I see not one iota of ANY testing on their site, nor do I see a single pedigree. Once again, a good breeder will be PROUD of their dogs' pedigrees. When you click on a link to a certain dog, all there is is a picture. Okay, so there's a cute Boxer. What else? Just because a breeder has a quality website does not mean they have quality Boxers. Cannot stress enough the words HEALTH TESTING, HEALTH TESTING, HEALTH TESTING!!!! And also proof thereof.

Good luck.

And I DO NOT have any history with this breeder, let alone bitter history. It's a mere fact that if you have healthy dogs and they've been proven as such by testing, you're NOT going to omit that from your website.
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like I said if you have an issue with the information available on their website; take it to Linda via the on site contact information. She is more then happy to forward any information you require to you.

Obviously, one has not seen a forged pedigree copied and pasted from a website...
Go to the source for your information- hearsay has a way of being wrong.
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I'm with you Fraserbw. I've been to Lindas place and her dogs are treated with TLC.
I have a lot of repect for her and the knowledge she has about breeding boxers.I have one of her dogs which is 3 years old and never had any health problems. How
many so called reputable breeders offer 3 year guarantee on heart,hips and temperment.
Come on I want to see a list of the breeders that can make that claim.
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Hey I'm not saying anything about a guarantee, but I'll tell you what, a breeder who does health testing IS GOING TO ADVERTISE AS SUCH!!! I don't give a shit if she coddles her puppies or they have a good home. Really, I don't. I think it's also a crock she has fostering on there. Why? So she can produce as many pups as possible to make as much money as possible. So sorry to offend you. But dogs with champion lines and numerous numerous champion "get" have proven pedigrees. Hell, I don't even give a shit cuz I could go to the ABC and find my female's sire right there under SIRES OF MERIT! duh. The breeder I got my female from posts her pedigrees along with her health testing. No shit someone can copy and paste, but I can just call OFA or whoever did any other tests to verify it, can't I? And who cares about hips -- I'm talking DM. Do you even know what DM is? How about Holters. Damn, put a pic up there with your dog being holtered. Just show something that you give a shit about their health... I see nothing of the sort.

What's her reason for breeding besides just pure hobby/money?

AND I'll tell you another thing, I'd be putting the ages of my dogs on the site, my past dogs on the site, the ages which they died and of what. Proven longevity is not a guarantee, but it's as close to one as you can get!

And this comment:
"How many so called reputable breeders offer 3 year guarantee on heart,hips and temperment."
Come on I want to see a list of the breeders that can make that claim."

By far the stupidist comment I've seen yet on this forum.
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