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Old 09-10-2011, 10:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If you don‘t mind me asking does this mean you would not by a black boxer again? (meant to qote mom2rocky)
You mean a seal brindle? There is no such thing as a black boxer

Of course I would!! I absolutely LOVE Rocky's color! Besides, there are SOME reputable breeders who have seal brindles such as http://ehappytails.com/ourdogs_Cole.shtml . There is another breeder who I know of that has a champion seal brindle, but I cannot locate the site to show you a photo.

My next boxer will most likely NOT be a seal though. I am possibly looking into european lines and am thinking dark brindle or fawn.
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You mean a seal brindle? There is no such thing as a black boxer


Yes…I know NO black. It is rather confusing to me actually but as I recall it is repeatedly explained on here that a ‘sealed’ or ‘reverse’ brindle is visible. Not something you just notice in the right lighting. Or am I wrong? My impression was you should be able to see the brindle striping with or without light. I think it was Newcastle that said brown hair or a sheen doesn’t qualify?
So I assumed Max and Rocky do not qualify as sealed?
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I can see the brindle in the link posted. I don't see it in Rocky or Max?
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Honestly, I don't know the correct answer to that. Maybe Rocky isn't purebred then? He has some brown sheen and some brown areas on his neck, shoulders, and you can see it in well lighted areas. In all honestly, I don't know if he is purebred since I bought him from a BYB and do not know his line history... which is another reason why I will never support a BYB again But at this point it really doesn't matter to me personally. I can't change his pedigree. I love him regardless
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Honestly, I don't know the correct answer to that. Maybe Rocky isn't purebred then? He has some brown sheen and some brown areas on his neck, shoulders, and you can see it in well lighted areas. In all honestly, I don't know if he is purebred since I bought him from a BYB and do not know his line history... which is another reason why I will never support a BYB again It really doesn't matter to me personally. I can't change his pedigree. I love him regardless
Phew…glad I am not the only one confused!!! And I feel the same. I love Max and you know I am a member of the Rocky Fan Club.
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Old 09-11-2011, 12:18 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I am a little confused as well. Is breeder A responsible and breeder B half responsible?

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To understand the thought process -- not so much about selecting a BYB over a responsible breeder, but choosing let's say a half-responsible breeder over a fully-responsible one. (And, frankly, to figure out if it's even worth educating people about responsible breeders, if they don't bother to buy from one anyway.)
If we remove everyone who has selected a byb or rescue as those do not fall into the A B category you are interested in, I am guessing those in the B category are the one’s you are trying to determine worth your time to educate?
Sorry this whole level’s of breeders thing is new to me so its all a tad confusing.
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Well said Gypsie Mouse I agree
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Actually being registered to me means nothing. I have them spayed or neutered so the papers are pretty useless. If I were a breeder then of course they would be. *shrugs*
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I ended up buying from a 'less than steller' breeder even after doing all the research.... I still bought from a decent breeder (wouldn't consider them a BYB, but not the best breeders either), but not the one I really would have liked to have bought from. My reason was because it was the perfect time for me to get a puppy (out of school, and no job) and the reputable breeder I had picked out was not planning on even having another litter any time in the future. Impatience on my part... but if I would have had to have wait on the reputable breeder, I wouldn't have had time for raising a puppy. I couldn't be happier with Deacon... he's extremely smart, beautiful, and has an amazing personality. I hope he lives a very long and healthy life... but now that I have the boxer fever out of my system (I'd been wanting one for years)... I won't be buying a puppy again unless it is from the breeder I had picked out. Or a dog from a rescue Hope I don't get bashed =/
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:47 AM   #20 (permalink)
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There is more to a reputable breeder than health testing, I am never quite sure if we mean reputable or ethical, or both?

Health tested does not mean you will automatically have a healthy pup, it does however tell me that the breeder as taken every possible step to minimize, without any guarantees, health problems. Quando is our second dog from the same breeder. We have had Quando tested for heart, hips and spondylosis, (we always have our dogs tested) even though we bought him from a reputable breeder we still wanted to understand his health “situation”. We liked him when we first saw him, when we picked him up 10 weeks we had no idea what his hip, heart and spondylosis condition would be. As it happens his heart score is 0, his hip score is A, and his spondylosis score is 0, so we are very happy. One of his brothers has a hip score of C and a spondylosis score of 1. We were just lucky, but it shows you that no matter how much effort a breeder puts into health testing, not all pups will have the best scores, even in the same litter.

The three tests cost me about 700 dollars.

I am surprised when I read postings from people here on the forums asking how to build up boxer body muscle, and these are then told that a good way to build up muscle is to strap the dog to a 40 lbs sledge. Some of you do agility, some work with their boxers, some bike and hike, yet the owners themselves don’t have their dogs tested. You may find one day that the dog pulling a sledge or running next to a bike will drop dead because of a heart condition, or doing agility or working the dog may cause serious hip and spondylosis problems only because you do not understand the health condition of your own dog because it was never tested.

If the worst then comes to the worst, the breeder is then bashed for having sold you a pup from dogs that weren’t tested. Yet the owner has never spent the time to have its dog tested? A (your) dog with a heart condition or bad hips can still live a long and happy life as long as you understand its condition.

We dog owners are just as much responsible for understanding ours dogs health condition as a breeder is for breeding health tested dogs.

I have a personal relationship with Quandos breeder and that means a lot to me. We chat every month; we email at least one a month, I keep her posted on how is developing and we meet up at least once a year. She is a valuable source of information; I can call her at anytime if I have questions or queries, she is my expert on all boxer related issues, she has become a friend. This is at least part of my understanding of a reputable breeder.

I don’t criticise people who have bought a pup from a breeder that hasn’t health tested, it can happen, why some may buy from “one of these” is that person choice.

A reputable breeder for me is also one that breeds against standards, that is hard work and the breeder has to research a lot to find the right stud. Don’t underestimate the time, work and expenses that go into that research. If I buy a boxer a want a boxer, it’s as simple as that. Then again I don’t criticise a person who buys a mix, we still all love our dogs, no matter what they are.

There are the also the “cultural” issues. I would not consider a breeder reputable who insists that my pup should be neutered or spayed (please no more discussions on this, just wanted to give me input on this to this thread).

At the end of the day I guess everyone has their own idea or perspective on what a reputable breeder is.

We have no intention of breeding Quando, just couldn’t be bothered. He is health tested, he has passed his ZTP. Would I qualify as a reputable breeder if we did decide to breed?
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