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Old 12-10-2013, 03:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cost of raising a litter (CND $)

Pre-breeding health tests
OFA HIPS and Elbows. $400 for each parent. $800
OFA thyroid testing. $200 for each parent $400
( repeated annually from 2-6 yrs of age)
OFA Heart Holter. $100 for each parent. $200
( repeated annually)
** holter costs can be much greater if done through a vet. On average $350-$500 per reading** We purchased our own holter for $1000 Cdn but it still costs me $100 per dog to test and ship off recordings to be read.

OFA Echo with cardiologist $500 for each parent. $1000
OFA DNA DM testing. $75 for each parent $150
ARVC DNA testing. $75 for each parent. $150

=$2700

Breeding Costs
Pre-breeding health check $75 for each parent. $150
Optional CBC ( blood test ). $100 for each dog. $200
Brucellosis Testing $75 for outside breedings $75
Stud Fee. $1500-2000
Ultrasound to confirm pregnancy. $65
X-ray to get final head count. $85
Post pregnancy check up. $75

=$2145-2645

Puppy Care Costs
(Per litter)
*avg. 7 puppies per

Dewormer. $100
Milk replacer ( not always used but always on hand). $35
Vaccinations/Vet Checks. $50 per puppy. $350
Microchips. $15 per puppy. $105
Vet to implant microchips. $10 per puppy. $70
Food (raw weaned).
Weeks 3 & 4 On average 3lbs per day x 14 days = 42lbs
Weeks 5 - 7. On average 6 lbs per day x 21 days = 126lbs
Week 8. On average 7 lbs per day x 7 days = 49lbs

217 lbs at $2.50lb = $542.50

Pet bedding ( litter box trained). $20 per week x 4 weeks $80
Misc. toys per litter. $50

=$1330.00

Other
Litter registration CKC. $25
Individual Registrations CKC. $50 per puppy. $350
Puppy Kit supplies
( includes 3 weeks of prepackaged raw food, toys, puppy blanket,
Leash and collar) $320
Paper work/contracts, vet booklets/ info. $100


For a grand total of. $7000-7500

This does not include any costs in keeping the dam/sire (housing, increased food during pregnancy/normal food through rest of year, routine vet care, training or competitions). It does not include shipping of the dam to the stud, progesterone testing if required or artificial insemination if required.

It does not include the building or purchasing of a whelping box, fuel to the vets office, unexpected complications such as c-sections ($1500) or mastitis ($1000). It doesn't cover any advertising costs or annual website fees or updates. It also does not include washing detergent or electricity to do 2 loads of laundry per day or run the heater in their bedroom to keep their space at 25 degrees Celsius.

This amount also does not include my TIME. Litters require around the clock 24 hr supervision especially until 5 weeks of age. I get maybe 2 hours of broken sleep per night for the first 3 weeks of life. Then it improves to about 5 hrs of broken sleep until 5 weeks of age. It isn't until 6 weeks of age until I can get 6-7 hrs of sleep per night.

How much do you think my time is worth? Let's just base it on a minimum wage job at 84hrs per week (that's 12 hr days and I do way more than that) Our minimum wage is $10

8 weeks at 84hrs per week is 672hrs x $10 = $6720

So that's a final total of $13,720

My puppies sell for $1800 each x 7 puppies = $12,600 ( I also have to pay personal income tax on this amount of 20%

So when you see "breeders" listing their puppies for $500-1000 you have to ask yourself where are they saving their costs and is it worth it to purchase from one of these breeders?

I also want to include that these figures do not include the costs of purchasing the parents. I get that some breeders have home grown dogs in their breeding program but a lot of the time they purchase new lines to improve their own. On average my adult imports cost between $5000-8000 each! If I bring a puppy over to raise to breeding age the cost is around $2500-3500 for an 8-9 week old pup.

There is no money in breeding! Those that profit are taking short cuts at the expense of the puppies they produce!
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Awesome post Kari!! Definitely should be sticky here and maybe in the breeding forum too IMO.
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How do you find a breeder who does all this?

And when you find one who claims they do, how do you confirm they are being truthful?

And if they show you "proof" how do you know what you are supposedly looking at?

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I agree! This needs to be a sticky. I admire you and think you have incredible patience and do so much too try to teach people about proper breeding and general dog care!


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All I can say is-
"YOU GOTTA LOVE THE BREED AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING"!!
cause it can't be for the money , you aren't making "ANY"


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How do you find a breeder who does all this?

And when you find one who claims they do, how do you confirm they are being truthful?

And if they show you "proof" how do you know what you are supposedly looking at?

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Well Kari (2manydog)is a reputable and breeder I trust that she would be telling me the truth. Anyone who takes the time to make a post like this to educate us that reputable breeders ARENT in it for the money are reputable breeders.

You can ask for test results and any reputable breeder would be more than willing to show you DATED paperwork and provide vet info for any skeptics!

Thanks for the breakdown kari! Great info, I knew there was a ton of tests but never considered things like bedding and toys and a "care" package!

You do an awesome job and I hopefully one day will have one of your pups!


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How do you find a breeder who does all this?

And when you find one who claims they do, how do you confirm they are being truthful?

And if they show you "proof" how do you know what you are supposedly looking at?

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You'd have to educate yourself to understand what your looking at,your here so that's step one.
You could ask for records of the test and call the vet.
And then I guess you can "hope" that it's not someone's "uncle Joe Bob" pretending to be the vet on record... sorry I'm kinda cynical these days.
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How do you find a breeder who does all this?

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And if they show you "proof" how do you know what you are supposedly looking at?

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You go to their home, your request to see all dogs and the spaces they use. You look to see if they are actually house pets or if they are all crated.

You ask for physical copies of all health testing. If you are concerned and don't trust what you see you follow up with the organizations that issued those results with the certification number and they will verify the dog listed.

You can ask to go to the puppy appointment so you can hear and see what is being done. Trust me, I would love an extra set of hands to help me with 7 crazy rambunctious puppies, lol.

You ask to visit the home while the puppies are maturing. I allow house visits after 4 weeks of age. It's great for puppies to smell and be handled by different people.

A good breeder will send you updates of the pregnancy, the ultrasound and any vet appointments. We try to send proof of X-rays at 60 days of pregnancy so you can see the little ones before they arrive.



You will feel a bond with your breeder. They will do their best to make you feel comfortable with them. If either of you are not happy then it is best to move on and find another breeder.
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You go to their home, your request to see all dogs and the spaces they use. You look to see if they are actually house pets or if they are all crated.

You ask for physical copies of all health testing. If you are concerned and don't trust what you see you follow up with the organizations that issued those results with the certification number and they will verify the dog listed.

You can ask to go to the puppy appointment so you can hear and see what is being done. Trust me, I would love an extra set of hands to help me with 7 crazy rambunctious puppies, lol.

You ask to visit the home while the puppies are maturing. I allow house visits after 4 weeks of age. It's great for puppies to smell and be handled by different people.

A good breeder will send you updates of the pregnancy, the ultrasound and any vet appointments. We try to send proof of X-rays at 60 days of pregnancy so you can see the little ones before they arrive.



You will feel a bond with your breeder. They will do their best to make you feel comfortable with them. If either of you are not happy then it is best to move on and find another breeder.
Don't worry I'm through being a nuisance!

What about if your not local ie internet or is that just not a good idea? I'm willing to drive but if I find something waay out of state?
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