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Old 12-28-2013, 04:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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As some of you know, I am from India. So is Zachary. I started thinking about standards a few years back but I didn't pay much heed to it since I wasn't looking for a new pup then, and Zoe looked beautiful to me just as she was.

When she passed, I again was not thinking about 'standards' when I went and got Zach. Today, I was going through the standard segments on the worldwideboxer website and I just decided to have some fun with Zach's profile.

I did remember that the snout should be 1/3 of the head size, I didn't know about the 1/4 of the European standard.

What do you think about Zach's structure?

edit: I shall be getting a female next year, so I would also like to know what specifically I should look for when I check her face and body. I had a niggling suspicion that Zach's legs were bow legged, but I didn't listen and yep, he has carpal flexion. I don't want to overlook something like that again.
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Old 12-28-2013, 04:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Could you post a front on picture also?

And it's not only conforming to the standard you want to look for in a breeder. You want to find a breeder who is health testing also.


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Make sure proper health testing is conducted on the dam and sire. There are many threads here to reference regarding that.

Also you can request the pedigree's of the dam and sire to try to see any showings in the lineage and could help confirm breeding to some standard. Find a reputable breeder who health tests and they most likely will select proper parents to stick to a standard.
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Sure. Here is a picture of Zach taken day before yesterday, sitting on a park bench. Also attached are his parents' picture.

His mom, Emmy, the brindle and his dad, Oscar, the fawn.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Just keep studying the standard. Once you know the standard fairly well start evaluating dogs. Try and pick out best attributes and faults.

What do you think about the head? What can you pick out as far as virtues and faults?
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His nose is longer than what I have been seeing in the websites around. But it's still 1/3 of the head... so... puzzled. his head is also sloping, the 'stop' isn't that apparent...
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Good start!

Your male is still very young. Puppy heads are hard evaluated, even to a trained eye. They change so much.

I'll include a collage of my girl, you can see how much the head changes as she develops.. With Numa three main things I would like to see improved is tighter eye lids, larger nostrils, and a slightly longer muzzle (it's too short IMO). Things I like with her are nice ear set, good stop & rise of skull. Nice width to muzzle, suffieicent muzzle padding, good lip placement, excellent amount of chin, nice bite (top teeth are a bit messy), Nice length of neck.

She's from a European breeding. Spanish and Italian lines. Second photo is at 6 months.
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She looks amazing to me. beautiful girl.

With Zach I feel the stop isn't at all at a right angle to the muzzle. I think he is more of an American standard in regards to the length. He is now 14 weeks old. January 21 he will be four months old.

Yes, I really can't say how he will shape up as he grows older. But I can prepare a collage of head shots as soon as I get back home.


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Here is the collage I prepared of Zach. I am also asking these questions because I plan to get another pup when Zach gets to be about 6 months at least.

But I need to know what exactly I should be looking out for. I made a list too. Going through all the books I have on boxers.
  1. a pup should be lively and confident
  2. well-fed and rounded
  3. clear coat and no smell from the ears
  4. firm back and strong neck
  5. pronounced occiput
  6. body should have a square profile
  7. hind legs without cow hocks (i missed this one when I picked Zach)
  8. fore legs should be parallel and never turning out at the elbows
  9. dark nose and dark toenails
  10. muzzle should be broad and deep (I don't quite understand what this means though - how deep how broad?)
  11. the lower jaw should be as wide as possible
  12. topline along the back should be as straight as possible
  13. tighter eyelids (though I love the droopy ones ) (from you Mom2Rocky)
  14. good amount of chin (from you Mom2Rocky)
  15. good stop (from you Mom2Rocky)
  16. nice ear set (from you Mom2Rocky)


Am I missing anything else?
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Here are some pictures to help give you a visual aid in correct conformation. No dog is perfect but these pictures will help you be able to access proper form. Also, don't look at your boy just yet, his body is growing at different rates.







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