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Old 06-13-2019, 12:24 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Yeah it's kinda tough when they come home for the last time. t's great that they are finally home ... but the pain of loss comes rushing back.

Frey Frey, lot's of us recognize his "behavior." He sounds like what we Luv about our Boxer's. And sigh side note here ... but Boxer's such as he did ... not exist until after WWII. When they did whatever with to be "safe" for American Boxer owners. And in doing so they created "our" Boxer's. And they became know "also" as the "Clown Princess of the Dog World!" And with that ... it was job done and the rest is well ... history as it were.

Take Care and it will get better with time.
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Old 06-14-2019, 12:59 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah it's good he's home. Feels weird. I've never really been religious but I find myself hoping we'll meet again someday. I hope the guilt fades. That's the worst part. All the ifs.

Thanks for the history. Maybe I shall look into that.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Yeah it's good he's home. Feels weird. I've never really been religious but I find myself hoping we'll meet again someday. I hope the guilt fades. That's the worst part. All the ifs.

Thanks for the history. Maybe I shall look into that.
Guilty??? Oh the "I did not really want him bit." It's easy to say but you got to "let that go!" It can eat you up big time! PTSD, been there done that with my second puppy and first ... "I did not want dog!" My first Boxer/APBT, Stewie ... he was "suppose to be a Foster" But he won me over! First by staying calm cool and collected as a 16 week old on a walk and on leash, when "we" got charged by a "Massive Freaking APBT" that burst thru a screen door to get him!!! Not on my freaking watch! I swung "Steiwe" behind me on leash and with a foot scoop and I stood that monster down!!!

The dog was not expecting me ... and he paused long enough fro the owner to scoop him back up! And after that ... "Stewie" proved to be ... "freaking" Brilliant!!! There was no training per say, I'd think it and he would do it!!

Oh yeah and he leash and collars ... was a joke, he wore his collar and used the leash to "humor me??" If something came up ..he do a shoulder shrug and slip his collar and then uh ... stand right beside me ... where he was, he kinda did not want that crap on his neck?? He a great "puppy!"

But I made a mistake that would cost him his life at only a year old. He was to smart and I thought he "understood" more than he did ... now that was guilt! Because it was my fault, another story ....

And then I have Dog number two, that was "suppose to a foster," (number five chronologically.)

My "infamous" Rocky my first Working Line Over Size GSD with wobblers! The only dog to ever send me to the ER for stitches ... breaking up "Pack Fights" between him and my American Band Dawg!!

First of many lessons to be learned ... two dogs are a pair, three dogs are a pack?? And if dog number three ... happens to be a high, "Rank Drive Dog??"
IE and that dog would be spelled "Working Line German Shepard Dog!" One had best have there "Crap Together!"

I thought I did ... but apparently not?? My ten years or so experience with Band Dawgs, Boxer/Apbt, and finally Boxers ... did not mean crap ie Molosser's all ... did not mean crap to him!! Turns out as I learned after the fact ... those are all "low rank drive breeds." There position in the "pack" is fine with them. I set the order ... they followed. But "Rocky" ... not so much???

A true "hell on earth" was to follow! And,as stated, he was my second dog I did not want! It's a long story but "we" got over it. And we formed a "Bond" that was forged thru hell and back!!

Aww well ... that is another story, suffice to say ... that although I had no real interest in the bred (and did not want him and actually resented what he kept doing to Gunther!!) I had to "let it go," if he was to stay, after Gunther passed due to unrelated issues. And now he had a bite record (granted it was me and not intentional but a bite on a human nonetheless, so I could not in good conscious, give him back. ) I never got the chance to "fix it," the pack fights. And now "Rocky" was by default "Top Dog" and I ... was pissed!!

LOL, so when he now turned his attention ie aggression towards uh ... "Everyone," save for me my wife and Struddell??" That was great news for me!! Cuz this crap shall not stand! It was time for "Pay Back!"


And "I" got it right!! And he showed his "appreciation" after a lot of work, on forming a "Bond of Trust"between us, as it were. Wnen day when, we came under attack by two charging dogs and "daddy went down" on the ice while defending him!!

And he was freaking awesome and I was stunned!! As he came from (Rocky) out of nowhere. But ... that is another story and this thread is suppose to be for condolences ... so my bad.

But my point was ... some dogs "you don't really want" can indeed "win you over!" And in the long run ... that is what really matters ... how you get there .. is not really important!

That's what I was trying to say. In a rather long winded, wordy fashion .. but that is kinda my thing, my bad??
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Old 06-15-2019, 11:58 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I get what you're saying. And I don't know as that I feel guilty about not wanting him at first. Not anymore anyways. Though maybe I do and don't realise it. It was me who got him from a backyard breeder and didnt really understand that. If I hadn't I suppose he jist would have been someone elses heart break. But I would do it again if given the chance. I just think a lot about the day he passed and if I could have done something differently. It was my choice to take him out to play when maybe we should have just stayed home. Thats what I'm feeling guilty about I guess.
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We understand what your saying/feeling. And there is always the "what if??" It's genetics, "issues" are just built into the DNA and at some point in time?? The clock clicks and the "count down" starts ...earlier than it should??

"Crap happens" and yes if it was not your heart that was broken ... then it would have been someone else. It could/would have happened anywhere at anytime?? Some owners have been playing with there dogs at home in there yard and there dog just drops over on the spot! That has happened and usually in the 6 month to 3 year range ... it seems.

I often say a lot of Boxer owners find there way to this board ... thru a trail of tears. Cardo issues is the most sudden unexpected loss ... usually un-diagnosed. Then there is also Cancer, in the Medical Community Boxers are know as "Cancer in a Box!"

My vet said that to me at a "Struddell" check up ... then turned pale and said "Sorry!" I told him "No problem I already know." The top two ... did not take her out (Cardio or Cancer.) It was number three on the list that ultimately took her down, Degenerative myelopathy ???

I had done better with PB Boxer (BYB) number two. Hedi my first PB Boxer was a Brindle and she had "Parvo!" When we got her ... we took her to the vet the next morning after we got her and found out.And yeah we could have returned her ... but you know 24 hours and she was already our dog. So we chose to fight and we lost ... at the vet during the day and home administered IV's after work. She was a game little trooper but just to small and to weak ... she died on a Thursday night in my arms. We got her Saturday back to the Vet on Sunday an she was gone by Thursday.

And that was after my traumatic loss of my first Boxerish, experience. With my Boxer/APBT Stewie! So the Boxer thing ... was not working out to well for us and now we had to wait a year before trying again because we "thought" our yard was contained with the virus?? But in retro spec .. it turned out it was not ... as Hedi always (week as she was) would go to the same spot to potty and indoors when she had to barf it was always on newspaper.

She would have been a great dog but it was not to be. We did better with Struddell and at age 7 ... I thought we were clear of issues?? And then one day on a walk on a hard surface ... I heard a clicking sound when she walked??? Right rear foot ... and nails dragging ... the first sign of DM! About 6 months later, my High Desert Bunny Chasing Boxer, could no longer walk! We cared for her 24/7 for two years and then finally in Nov of 2013 it was game over .... But at least we had 7 years of good memories to fall back on this time. She was a great dog.... She just barely managed to make it to the 10 year mark ... but she did ... so there is that.

On the other hand there are well were, at this point in time a few BYB Boxers that were in the 12 to 14 year range!

On the other hand "right now" we have an owner who did do everything right! She did get a quality pup from a good breeder and her dogs heart is failing.

Sometimes you can do everything right and it still goes wrong?? Boxers can be a hard breed to fall in love with. But the joy they bring when they are with you. I feel is worth the "heartbreak" they leave behind when they fall by the wayside, on our journey through life... It just seems to the way it is with this Breed.
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Thank you for sharing all that. Makes me feel better some how. I'm really sorry about your pups. They can be a difficult breed to love. Seems like a paradox that such a fun and playful breed can be so full of health problems. I'm glad I had Frey. I loved him a lot and was loved by him I'm sure. I really hope the feeling passes. Like I tried so hard to save him and yet I still feel guilty. But I guess you are right bad things can happen no matter what. Always ready to out live them just never figure it'll be so soon.
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