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I just heard it's not good to feed a dog with Boxer Colitis and IBS raw? I have been and I'm scared I am harming my 8 months old pup....
 

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Another great resource is Goudasmom.

I wanted to ask if your baby has been tested for pancreatitis and EPI? These are excellent websites on EPI: http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/12_3/features/Exocrine-Pancreatic-Insuffinciency-in-Dogs_16109-1.html and http://www.epi4dogs.com/diet.htm

I am also wondering if the circovirus led to permanent changes within the intestines. What were the clinical symptoms of the circovirus in Elvis? I saw that all of his littermates died. What from?

I know it is so frustrating and scary when our babies are ill; not to mention stressful.

We are here for you!
 

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Hi Roccosmom, thanks for the reply :) Yes Elvis has been tested for both pancreatitis and EPI. The cirvovirus is so new that they are unsure if it does any permanent damage but I bet the on going bacterial infections have for sure. In ultrasound they see that his small intestine is inflamed. I just started cooking for him on friday and his stools are worse. They were better on the Stella and Chewys raw (fed that one as it is a safe raw) but i have been reading that raw is not good for colitis? The litter mates died mostly likely from the bacterial infection/cirvovirus. :( Yes it is very stressful as I have tried so much and nothing seems to work.....My vet is holistic and is a huge raw believer :) He is also on alpha omega probiotic/enzymes and a good multivitamin by RX. Can't medicate him for the bacteria as he almost died from metronidazol.....trying to help his colitis/IBS, bacteria and virus with diet and lots of probiotics.
 

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I think when you change the diet you almost always get a response. I am going to keep praying for your little guys and wrack my brains to help. :)

(My dog has pancreatitis and I don't feed raw. He is on a prescription diet. Not my favorite choice but he is healthy on it so I am not going to change it!)

Hang in there!
 

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Thanks Roccosmom <3 will all his allergies he can't go on the special GI food the vet sells. He is allergic to chicken which is in there
 

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Hello :)

So first off many dogs that test positive for food allergies are allergic to cooked proteins. It is very rare for a dog to be allergic to raw proteins though I'm not saying it isn't possible.

Raw is great for dogs who suffer from colitis/IBD however it can take some time to reset the body so to speak so don't be alarmed if you have several flare ups. We can address those naturally.

What I would do is stop feeding him the premade stuff immediately and stop cooking his food! I would go right back to basics and start him on just duck necks. I would be more than happy to help talk you through this. We need to settle his system down, stop the inflammation and get him back on track. It sounds to me like to many things/changes are being thrown at him. This will only make things worse.
 

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Thanks so much 2manydogs! I just asked my vet about the necks and she said no as it's too much bone :( I didn't know cooked was different than raw in allergies. Good to know! The cooking has made him worse! He woke up in the middle of the night pacing to go out and licking his tummy. Vet told me to go back on the stella and chewys but maybe the lamb this time? He needs more carbs though....the rice seemed to help bulk him up a little bit....your dogs are GORGEOUS btw!
 

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I don't know your vet but most vets are opposed to raw feeding because they don't have much education on it. I would say to take your vet's advice with a grain of salt. Do your own research! Dr. Karen Becker is a vet that openly encourages raw feeding and other holistic practices. You should check out her website (Educator - Dr. Karen Becker) and Dogs Naturally magazine website (Holistic and Natural Dog Diets, Vaccines, and Remedies for Fleas, Ticks and Heartworm) as well. Do some research of your own.

Kari (2manydogs) has been breeding health boxers for years! I don't think there's anyone on this forum that knows (and shares) more about boxers than her. I would definitely consider her advice.
 

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Thanks so much :) My vet is holistic :) and is a HUGE raw believer. I'm very lucky!!! He has been on raw for a couple months now but his stools were still soft through out the day so we decided to try cooking to see if it helped but hasn't so going back on raw i think :) Just not too much bone she said and likes the Stella and Chewys which is VERY pricey but its just so safe....i was feeding 4-5 pounds a day of it and he was still very thin and a 6 pound bag costs about $42 with tax! yikes! lol But at this point we will pay anything to get him better. The specialist we saw at Canada West was VERY against raw lol. Argh, so many different opinions....would be nice to find someone else that has maybe felt with similar issues but that might be too far fetched! Elvis has MANY issues!
 

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Just a thought but perhaps you are feeding too much. I do know if fed too much raw it will cause loose and soft stools. I understand you are trying to put weight on Elvis but overfeeding isn't the best option.

Kari is a wealth of information so absorb everything she offers to help you with.
 

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Oh that is great! Yes you are very lucky! :)

Wow... that is pricey and does seem like a lot of food for one boxer. Most of the members here feed prey model raw (PMR), not the manufactured stuff. Even though the premade is raw, you still can't control what's going into it. It still gets processed. Also PMS costs a lot less.

In any case, I hope you can find a balance that works for him.
 

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His stools might be loose on raw bc there's NOT ENOUGH bone content in it. I'm sure you know when feeding raw the key is to find the perfect balance of meat to bone ratio. For instance wyatt needs 2 bone in meals a day, one of the meals containing a little less bone and more ground or else he has pudding poops. While others do one bone and one boneless meal.

I too would follow 2manydogs (Kari's) advice. Start back at square one. Remember when switching from one thing to another there might too loose stools, too firm stools, etc. Not to sound gross or give tmi, I try to eat healthy and when I indulge in a funnel cake, fast food or greasy foods they go straight through me within minutes! But if unease into them then my body starts to tolerate it.

But if your vet thinks there's too much bone in a duck neck, cut it in half and add some ground beef or something that he can tolerate.
 

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I am sure you have a great vet however they have very little nutritional training behind them. No carbs, no rice, no grains.

What do you have to lose? Seriously? Obviously what you and your vet have been trying to do isn't working so when you have had enough please feel free to PM me and I will set up a feeding schedule just for your dog.

I'm not winging it BTW. The entire reason I started raw feeding was because I had a male dog who had colitis. It took several kibbles including vet prescription, cooking, freezed dried, BARF style raw and finally Prey Model Raw before we found out what worked for him. I then switched over my entire crew and have never looked back.

Duck necks are not to much bone. Long term yes, but not to transition.
 

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Thanks soooo much everyone! Im just at work so will message you when I get home Kari 😘
 

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Elvis some types of IBD can't be managed with diet alone. Our dog was scoped at a year, and had two types which involved his stomach and large and small intestine. Even that early they saw scars and lesions from the ongoing inflammation. It might be worth finding a GI specialist to do endoscopies. Update on managing IBD in dogs (Proceedings)
We finally had a diet formulated by a veterinary nutritionist. It was fresh, steamed fish, potato, linoleic oil, and BalanceIt supplement. Later we added fresh vegetables and fruit. We had to add more vitamins, minerals and amino acid supplement because the scars inhibited his absorbing the normal amount of nutrition from his food. We were told that raw would be a possible issue with him because of his damaged intestines, and that bacteria was possibly backing up into his pancreatic duct.

I would think you'd be able to feed raw, but maybe I'd have a nutritionist formulate the entire diet. Your dog is so young, it's worth it.
 

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Hi Owenowlsnest, thanks for the info. We saw an internal specialist and we chatted about the scope....my vet thinks its too risky to have him be put under right now, but hope in the future when he is stronger he can get it done :)
Yes, i have heard similar things about the raw being dangerous. So many opinions, so much to consider....i am feeding a very safe raw that is guaranteed safe...
 

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There is no guarantee in anything you feed. All dog foods (kibble, premades, dehydrated, home made, cooked) all come with bacteria, salmonella, e.coli etc. there is no such thing as a safe food.
 
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