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The barking thing is a "grey point." Struddell luv'd everyone she met?? In retrospect apparently she was correct!

I trust my dogs so if they "actually" feel that "something" is off with a person ...rest assured I trust their instincts!

Every dog pretty much barks at a knock on the front door. But a well trained dog doesn't bark at people walking by on the sidewalk??

A dog that barks at "everything" is not of much value as a guard dog?? A proper guard dog should be able to discern between what is "normal" background noise and what is not!

If my dogs bark inside the house or in the yard ... "something" is up! They lived next door to dogs on both sides that barked "constantly!!" Those dogs still do!!! My dogs never paid them any mind.

If my guys barked "something was different???" It may have been nothing more that a "squirrel" on a powerline??

Not a lot of them out here to my knowledge but if they barked it meant something was different??

If Struddell my Boxer was let outside in the winter ...she'd make a quick dash to the back of the yard go potty and then "boom" bark, bark back at the door within minutes if not seconds!

By contrast my GSD, who if I was in the house will literally lay quietly by my feet within five feet or less of me ...sigh ....

If I let him outside he will stay outside for hours! He won't make a sound "unless" he "actually" hears "something" unusual??? I have to remember to let him in!

I would say that if you have a well trained dog of "either" breed things like that are the "differences" you will see. It came as a surprise to me??

Been eight years with "Rocky" GSD, and the above situation has not changed. :)

On the other hand Rocky is a WL GSD, and his people "issue" was a huge surprise to me ???

No barking, no lunging no, no out of control "craziness!" Company was greeted with a low rumbling growl and a cold hard stare!!!

I will grant that it could have been a "fear" of people reaction?? Nonetheless it told me that "enticing company" into his space was "not" a good idea!!

I'd say the fact that he is safe with company and in public and has not bitten anyone ...says I was right! I still don't encourage any visitors in the home to pet him. He stays in "Place" and I let no one touch him!

My Boxer?? Company was a "great time for all!" Men luv'd her smiling and giggling for all involved at her antics! Wigging and licking faces as she walked from lap to lap! She slept with company and sulked when they left. :(

Women were pretty "cool" to her antics?? Personally I think they were jealous of her slim figure! :)

My GSD?? He is much more like "nice to see you ...when you leaving???" That kinda sums up the difference in the two breeds. A SL GSD I don't know?? If people aren't throwing snide remarks at them on the GSD Board, I have heard them described as Lab like?? I have no idea myself ??I have never met a "people friendly" GSD but I heard of them on the GSD Forum.

Training and management is key with "all" dogs but especially "working dogs!" That is pretty much universal!

With either breed it's game on! I'd say a badly behaved Boxer could drive "you" nutty! A badly behaved GSD ...could get you sued!

A PPD is "serious" business! A fully PPD is either a serious comment in time and money or a half trained "mickey mouse" job with either breed is a "law suit" waiting for a place to happen!

What I say "constantly" on the GSD Board that most likely ticks off Jax08??? Is that "I have never seen a badly behaved Boxer! "Every" Boxer I have ever seen was just like my Struddell." (high praise indeed!)

That includes "Deer Dog" who I took from his owner hands "struggling to rein in his pulling Boxer" and "Tick Tac Toe' he was "claimed to be a puller and had people issues.

They were both fine with me on walks and I used a Slip Lead Leash on both dogs. I only understood TIc Tac Toe had a "serious fear of people issue" when someone I was speaking to asked to pet him.

They started to approach us and TTT pressed in next to me (he had been standing calmly by my side while I spoke) I looked down and his eyes were big as saucers!! Good enough! My hand when out and I said "No he's in training" and we moved on!

He understood "Daddy" had his back! That is the key to properly raising any dog "especially" a working line dog.

They are both great "Breeds" and both very different experiences.
Wonderfull insight as always 'chip18'. Thankyou.
 

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My female boxer makes it her business to alert us whenever people/dogs/kids walk by the house. She does a "perimeter check" of the backyard every morning and every time we leave the house and come back. I adopted her at 1.5 years old. I think she has grown more protective as time has gone on. This could be a combo of age and attachment to me and my husband. She loves the neighbors once she has met them.
She is my first boxer. I liked the size, protective qualities, and had heard boxers could be integrated into homes with cats so when she came available at the shelter I adopted her. I could not be happier... her house manners are really great...she drools like a faucet but does not make a mess with her water and food bowls, does not scratch the screen doors, and respects boundaries. I do not have children but I can see how boxers could be great with them because of their energy,curiousity, and desire to make a game out of anything.
Some people are definitely wary of her and on occasion she is mistaken for a pitbull. (she does not have a docked tail) When she is on leash she acts more protective than off leash. She can walk by people without issues but if she is on leash and someone starts talking to me I put her in a sit otherwise she can/will bark and lunge. She is very vocal and growls a lot during play i have to gotten used to this but some people definitely get worried. I never tried to break her of this because it does not bother me and i have learned the difference between her play growl and the suspicious one.
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My two bark at anyone / everything they see / hear outside. Sometimes I think they bark a little too much :))

When someone is at our door they do know if it is a friend or stranger. With people they recognize it it jumping/ barking and butt wiggling. With people they don't know, it is jumping / barking/ hair raised along their backs and sometimes spit/foam flying out of their mouths. I must say they are a very good deterrent for solicitors!

Mine do not behave very well on leash - mostly when we see other people and they are leash reactive towards other dogs. Most people we encounter do not approach us without asking first. Maggie doesn't like people who have their hoodies up - she will always let out a low growl from quite a distance when she sees someone dressed like that. And she has let out a low growl towards other strangers at times as well. I think dogs have an innate sense of who is good or bad. They also feed off of us - if we invite someone into our home they are perfectly fine. They must feed off our emotions. My two are big lap babies to everyone they know, but I'd like to think if something was really wrong they would act accordingly. We've never had to test that though.

Most times we sit out back but sometimes we sit on our front deck and when people we know walk by they still bark but we tell them to hush (they don't usually listen). When we see strangers walk by I always tell my husband - let them bark and growl with their hair raised - we don't know those people / person - let them think our dogs are guard dogs. Especially since the vacant house down the street was broken in to.

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Thats a good strategy!
 

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Tina, Boxers were bred as guard dogs. Shepherds actually were herding dogs. It sounds like you are fearful, and want a protection dog to some extent. As you raise a puppy they may sense that you are fearful, and want to take over as protector. This could be a disaster.

You talk about barking at the front door. You may get a dog who wants to be in charge of the house, and has not been selected for proper temperament. A dog like that may not even bark. Somebody may open the door, and still be attacked! Many Boxers, and Shepherds, are not big barkers. It wouldn't need to be a criminal, but could be a neighbor or even a child.

Spend the money to have a professional pick out, and train, a protection dog that will fit into your specific situation. If there is a dog bite, you will have to pay as much in damages as you would in finding a stable dog.
Hello there and thankoyu for your reply. No I am not fearful at all. Have had many dogs over the years and am the wrong side of 40 now! I am just conscious I walk a lot alone thats all!. Thanks again.
 

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Hello there and thankoyu for your reply. No I am not fearful at all. Have had many dogs over the years and am the wrong side of 40 now! I am just conscious I walk a lot alone thats all!. Thanks again.
Just to keep it simple,this is what should do with "Any" dog you get and it should be done with "Every dog.":

Wheres my sanity: Sit on the Dog, aka: The long down
Energy - it's all about confid-tude

The Magic Of Duration Work | The Good Dog Life Blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGq_5r0DeE

It's called training "calmness into a dog" you train an "off switch!" That's a quote from "Bailiff" on the GSD Board! He 'introduced the concept to "us" and I found the clips! :)

These are very important it's how you can control your dog and control a lot of unwanted behaviors.

You tell your dog "Place!" :)
 

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Hello there and thankoyu for your reply. No I am not fearful at all. Have had many dogs over the years and am the wrong side of 40 now! I am just conscious I walk a lot alone thats all!. Thanks again.
Just to keep it simple, this is what should be done with "Any" dog you get and it should be done with "Every dog" by "Everyone." It teaches the dog to settle down. Exercise is important but so is learning how to "Chill." :)

Wheres my sanity: Sit on the Dog, aka: The long down
Energy - it's all about confid-tude

The Magic Of Duration Work | The Good Dog Life Blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGq_5r0DeE

It's called training "calmness into a dog" you train an "off switch!" That's a quote from "Bailiff" on the GSD Board! He 'introduced the concept to "us" and I found the clips! :)

These are very important it's how you can control your dog and control a lot of unwanted behaviors.

You tell your dog "Place!" :)
 

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So with this "place" command - you have to designate just one spot in your home for it?

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So with this "place" command - you have to designate just one spot in your home for it?

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Oh ... is that an "over sight" in the clips?? I "assumed" that they explained "all" the details???

I had another one but it went off on Clickers and treats so I ditched it! An over sight on my part so sorry all.

But happy to explain.

Nope not one spot. It can be used anywhere once trained! The dog is free to move about the designated "space" but he is not free to leave it!

I car proofed my dogs the manual way I had the car parked, opened the a door and if they stepped out ... without my say so, back in they go!

Not very "sophisticated" but they got it. Eventually all doors open or all windows down they don't come out until till "I say so!"

It worked out fine but if you "train" "The Place Command" you can do the same thing by saying "Place" in the car.

But to start a large beach towel would most likely be a good choice. That would make it easier for the dog to see where he is suppose to be. They would be allowed to move freely on the towel they just can't step off it.

As it happened I had trained a variation of "The Place Command" I just never realized it until my GSD showed "me" that I had done this???

I had called "Place" ... "On the Lawn" same deal free to move about you just can't leave the yard. :)

http://www.boxerforums.com/1732009-post14.html

"Place" is not the same as a "Stay." Stay means don't move at all and it usually only last for three minuets at the most.

CCG 3 minuet out of sight of owner "Stay." The goal for a properly trained "Place Command" is two hours!

Rocky was pretty easy in the house not liking people an all he "chose to stay in Place in the home. My job was to tell family and friends "No" just leave him alone! :)

I only became aware of this within the last year! But I do what I can to pass it on!

I would imagine it would take sometime to fully train?? Not alot about time lines to my knowledge??

I had hear 15 minuet intervals once?? So that's a guide line and I would break that down to 5 minuet intervals and build to 15 and at 15 start tacking on 10 to get to an hour and then 15 to get to one!

If you want to add treats?? A treat at the intervals would be fine.

You could do multiple towels or carpets and just say place, give it a couple minuets move to the next and say place. Then work up to 5, then 10 then 15, then start stacking on 10 or 15 minuet intervals.

You can kind of see that how long it takes is a big variable! And the dogs not safe till proofed with distractions! That would be long line time!

Out in public Say "Place" put down a towel or a wash cloth! And say "Place" go to the end of the line and wait!

The last part is not entirely necessary but if your shooting for "bomb proof reliability" it is!


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OK the above is my understanding of the process but ... there's hope! As I say I like to use the KISS concept and what I outlined was not really in keeping with that!

But cheer up all! Because the question was asked I started looking again and since I now have another go to source I went there!!

I think everyone will find this a very clear explanation and it does not sound like it's the long drawn out process I made it seem!

He does use an E-Collar but he explains you don't need to it just makes the process faster
and easier still. I don't use an E-Collar myself but I understand the principles involved.

At any rate it sounds like the process is not as tedious and time consuming as I made it seem!

Take a look. And let me know what you think??? :)

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But if you are teaching the dog "place" and place can be a carpet, or car or bed than wouldn't you have to teach each place?
I am not sure I understand the difference between place and stay.
 

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But if you are teaching the dog "place" and place can be a carpet, or car or bed than wouldn't you have to teach each place?
I am not sure I understand the difference between place and stay.
Nope. They are similar but different!

For the front yard I could have used Place but I did not know it at the time. But the whole of our front yard is for my guys a giant "Place mat!"

If I say "On The Lawn" they are free to move about the whole of the front yard. If I say "Stay" it means don't move from this spot! But in that case "on the lawn" only worked at home!

Watch the last video I posted I think he explains it pretty well. Use the dog bed but say "Place" instead of go to bed!

Pretty sure we all say go to bed ...doesn't work all that well. Use a leash if he comes off the bed put him back and say "Place!"

It's his bed anyway so screw it keep him there for 30 minuets. Keep an eye on him and again say "Place" and guide him back if he moves!

When it's time release him with "OK."

Do it once a day for a week! The next week take four bath towels put them in the back yard place them 5 feet or so apart.

Guide him to the first one point and say "Place" he should follow your hand and step on the towel. Say good boy and repeat "Place" wait 5 minuets go to the next towel and repeat. Repeat at each towel.

Do that for a week or two if he will stay on the towels for 20 or 30 minuets. Then go to the car use a long line if needed. Open the door leave it open and say "Place." Most likely ...he will stay in the car! :)

Your going to have to keep an eye on him so bring a chair! The long line is used if needed! I don't know if he's a runner??

He will understand that he is free to move about in that "Place/Car" but he can't leave it!

So you can see how if used "go to bed" it won't work! The car is not a bed??

And if you do the towel thing, then when you take him out and about ...you put a towel down and say "Place." :)

It works like "Sit on the Down" I often say with that one it's not important what the owner thinks of it, it's what it does for the dog that matters!

The Place Command is the same deal. Use "Place" you Boxer once properly taught will get it! :)

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But if you are teaching the dog "place" and place can be a carpet, or car or bed than wouldn't you have to teach each place?
I am not sure I understand the difference between place and stay.
Nope. They are similar but different!

For the front yard I could have used Place but I did not know it at the time. But the whole of our front yard is for my guys a giant "Place mat!"

If I say "On The Lawn" they are free to move about the whole of the front yard. If I say "Stay" it means don't move from this spot! But in that case "on the lawn" only worked at home!

Watch the last video I posted I think he explains it pretty well. Use the dog bed but say "Place" instead of go to bed!

Pretty sure we all say go to bed ...doesn't work all that well. Use a leash for all training, if he comes off the bed put him back on the bed and say "Place!"

It's his bed anyway so screw it keep him there for 30 minuets. Keep an eye on him and again say "Place" and guide him back if he moves!

When it's time release him say "OK."

Do it once a day at least for a week! The next week take four bath towels put them in the back yard place them 5 feet or so apart.

Guide him to the first one point and say "Place" he should follow your hand and step on the towel. Say good boy and repeat "Place" wait 5 minuets go to the next towel and repeat. Repeat at each towel.

Do that for a week or two if he will stay on the towels for 20 or 30 minuets. After another week of training. Then go to the car use a long line if needed. Open the door leave it open and say "Place." Most likely ...he will stay in the car! :)

Your going to have to keep an eye on him so bring a chair! The long line is used if needed! I don't know if he's a runner??

He will understand that he is free to move about in that "Place/Car" but he can't leave it!

So you can see how if used "go to bed" it won't work! The car is not a bed??

And if you do the towel thing, then when you take him out and about ...you put a towel down and say "Place."

It works like "Sit on the Down" I often say with that one it's not important what the owner thinks of it, it's what it does for the dog that matters!

The Place Command is the same deal. Use "Place" you Boxer once properly taught will get it! :)

Teach that and you can just use a towel anywhere put it on the ground and say "Place."

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But if you are teaching the dog "place" and place can be a carpet, or car or bed than wouldn't you have to teach each place?
I am not sure I understand the difference between place and stay.
I taught my dog the place command last spring..but we have not done it in a while. It was recommended in the beginning to use one of those elevated dog mats it helps the dog differentiate being on their place or not. (I used a blanket) I practiced while watching TV and would get up and leave the room and the dog would stay in her place.Then we moved to the kitchen and then to the backyard. The backyard was much more difficult.
A benefit is that when the doorbell rings i can grab the blanket real quick and say place and she stays there. It may have calmed her a little in general in regards to showing her she does not need to react over every little thing.
 

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I taught my dog the place command last spring..but we have not done it in a while. It was recommended in the beginning to use one of those elevated dog mats it helps the dog differentiate being on their place or not. (I used a blanket) I practiced while watching TV and would get up and leave the room and the dog would stay in her place.Then we moved to the kitchen and then to the backyard. The backyard was much more difficult.
A benefit is that when the doorbell rings i can grab the blanket real quick and say place and she stays there. It may have calmed her a little in general in regards to showing her she does not need to react over every little thing.
Much more difficult is exactly what you want once the dog understands a command.

Any dog can be well behaved without distractions. Distractions are how you proof a dog! Will the dog perform under pressure?? It's not a bad thing. It's how to keep your dog safe from the unexpected!

One morning I let Rocky out front my "On the lawn" guy! I did not notice the jogger and his dog running on the far end of the sidewalk!

I step inside for a minute I come back and as I'm stepping out I see them in the font of the house!!!

My attention immediately turns to Rocky!! I observe him standing calmly "On the lawn" watching the pair go by! :)

We don't do Dog Parks we don't meet and greet strange dogs, the limited stranger interactions were strictly controlled and he doesn't give a crap about cats.

There was nothing that would entice him off the lawn. The front lawn was a large "Place mat" and Daddy expects him to stay on it.

That's how it works. The command is what is important not the article you use to train it. If you properly train "Place" you can use a wash cloth.

A tip from Cesar folks take a deep breath and relax and get with the program.

k_ann just told you how well it works with the door thing.

For me company coming over meant all kinds of nutty behaviour from my guys! I'm sure I'm not alone there??

A "Place Command" with Gunther and Struddell would have greatly reduced the resultant antics! Not really a problem with my GSD, he's not much of a fan of drop in's.
 

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People afraid of Hank? LOL No, he is a chick magnet!

If anything, Hank is still a bit skittish around strangers.

But, he has shown protective instincts a few times, when needed.

Most people that see Hank, want to come up and pet him as he is very handsome. But, Hank does not really like strangers. He kind of backs away. Until he figures them out, then he will want to play with them. Now children, he wants to chase them and lick them!
 

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People afraid of Hank? LOL No, he is a chick magnet!

If anything, Hank is still a bit skittish around strangers.

But, he has shown protective instincts a few times, when needed.

Most people that see Hank, want to come up and pet him as he is very handsome. But, Hank does not really like strangers. He kind of backs away. Until he figures them out, then he will want to play with them. Now children, he wants to chase them and lick them!
Huh funny enough I'd have to say Struddell was fearless??

She proved that she knew when someone was suppose to be around and when they were not! I did not heed her counsel that night and had stuff stolen!

I kinda considered here "nutty" and "Goofy" when it came to people??But confident and self assured would look the same??

On walks no one was afraid of her! What people saw was a confident well adjusted dog. She liked "everyone" and she was right! :)

I get "skittish" with my GSD! Very handler dependent, if he is on leash and stop and talk to someone he stands calmly by side. If he is off leash and I do the same. He will walk five feet away and lay down and wait for me to move on. I can work with that!

In the home much different! A poorly trained Boxer is (usually) just a major PIA for the owner! A poorly trained WL GSD is law suit waiting to happen!!

Take note of the breath of "Aggression" issue's in this Forum:
Aggression (the good, the bad & the ugly) - German Shepherd Dog Forums

You don't see that here. :)
 

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OK I've been PM'ing an experienced WL GSD member and asking them about a family friendly GSD. She did not think "my" recommendation of an American Line GSD was a great idea.

I guest there is also an American "Pet line" I guess it's a thing?? Nothing I've seen?? And a "West German Showline GSD" did get a nod. She said they are still aloof and I gather would require good management skills.

By and large most of the things I talk about all the time are all that are required to be successful with a GSD?? But I don't know what to say about GSD's if you don't want to make a dog "your life" instead of being a "part of it" to many types of GSD's and the negatives still seem to be the same whether they come from haters or a more balanced perspective??

I tried and still it would seem got it wrong? So I'll just stick with not recommending GSD's to most people. The Breed will do just fine with out my approval.

The Boxer thing is a lot easier American or Euro great family pets. Yes management still required but the challenges are much different in nature for the most part.

But as it happens ...what I do best is provide information and let folks make the call! I can still do that two folks on my friends list one does SL and does WL!

So I'll pm the names and "you" can get there perspective directly! Tell them Chip sent you! :)
 

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OK I've been PM'ing an experienced WL GSD member and asking them about a family friendly GSD. She did not think "my" recommendation of an American Line GSD was a great idea.

I guest there is also an American "Pet line" I guess it's a thing?? Nothing I've seen?? And a "West German Showline GSD" did get a nod. She said they are still aloof and I gather would require good management skills.

By and large most of the things I talk about all the time are all that are required to be successful with a GSD?? But I don't know what to say about GSD's if you don't want to make a dog "your life" instead of being a "part of it" to many types of GSD's and the negatives still seem to be the same whether they come from haters or a more balanced perspective??

I tried and still it would seem got it wrong? So I'll just stick with not recommending GSD's to most people. The Breed will do just fine with out my approval.

The Boxer thing is a lot easier American or Euro great family pets. Yes management still required but the challenges are much different in nature for the most part.

But as it happens ...what I do best is provide information and let folks make the call! I can still do that two folks on my friends list one does SL and does WL!

So I'll pm the names and "you" can get there perspective directly! Tell them Chip sent you! :)
Chip what a lovely kind thing to do-THANKYOU! :cheers: And just as a side noticed quite a lot of working line gsd here in the UK are czech lines?? Dont know if thats good or bad tho as regards trainability. We have an excellent assured breeder scheme with the UK kennel club where puppies are bred for health temprement as well as looks of course BUT i would like a long coat gsd( or semi) and that is frowned upon in the showring so I will have to look elsewhere. I am leaning more towards the gsd,the look of the gsd is a visual deterrent(ie reputation preceeds them) They have a high trainability factor(my irish setter was a bit bonkers but they are known for it!) and i would like to play ball with my dog and do a lot of off leash walking KNOWING my dog will be obediant and return when called.My IS got that down pretty good,about 90% return for the whistle,but the IS breed is not known for its trainability!.Also I was heavily pregnant when he was a pup so he didnt get the best start 'training' wise. New pup will be different. In fact i am looking forward to some 'me' time with my dog getting out and doing training classes and obedience as well as my walks.It will be 'my' time to bond with my dog :clap2:
 

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Ok so i clearly remember saying my guy doesn't bark at people at the door... Well I am now wrong. For the last week or so he would "grumble" as people knocked on the door today we're full out barking! And I'd say if you didn't know my guy just that one or two loud barks may make unwanted strangers think twice!
 

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Ok so i clearly remember saying my guy doesn't bark at people at the door... Well I am now wrong. For the last week or so he would "grumble" as people knocked on the door today we're full out barking! And I'd say if you didn't know my guy just that one or two loud barks may make unwanted strangers think twice!
Hey result! I must say I have swung back round to Boxers again. I love everything about them. Their looks,their size,their personality everything!. Just cant get these guys outta my head.So Boxer it is then :clap2:
 
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