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As stated earlier round two but this time ... I decided to follow my advice and carry a "Walking Stick" and to be clear ... you use the Walking Stick to Block a Charging Dog not strike them with it. Little did I know that only week or two after my first unfortunate encounter ... "Rocky and I" would encounter yet another "loose dog with intent coming after us!!!"

But that encounter worked out in spectacular fashion! :cheers:

Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! Yet again ... but this time ...
Sigh yet again ... now my life time average on thwarted attempts has moved to 17 and on Rocky and I alone it's 13 or is it 15 ... starting to lose count???

But this time it was different! First it was daylight. I saw people out in there driveway playing ball as we approached and an open garage door down the sidewalk. All warning signs of a "possible dog on the loose???

So we cross the street, and proceed forward ... they acknowledge us and we exchange greetings and "Rocky" and I proceed my newly acquired "Walking Stick" in hand, I'm on point and "Rocky" is off leash following ... we move along. When ... suddenly I hear people screaming???

This time however "Rocky is not on leash and I can't get him to my rear, he's seen the dog first and was ready to intercept and "this time ... Rocky ... did not look happy! This ...could be bad .. Rocky is not a charger but he is an interceptor and I have not seen that look in his eyes in years!

The dog was already within feet of us when I whirled around and I had no time to shield Rocky,so I shouted Stay! And at this time a couple weeks ago, I would have had to face the charging dog down and shout and stomp my feet to deter him. But with Rocky waiting and ready this time ... I don't know how that past approach would have turned out???

This time however .. and following my own advice. I had my walking stick ... already in hand! As I whirled and accessed and gave "Rocky a stay command, the Walking Stick sprung into action. Pretty much in the blink of an eye ... the charging ... Pointy eared lab (just kidding it was a regular lab) was about four feet from us and I slammed the walking stick "Down in front of that dog to block him." I did not expect the loud "thwack sound" and neither did that dog!

I had no idea dogs could stop that fast but that dog hit the binders hard! Then I had to make sure "Rocky" remained where he was next to me. So another Stay was issued and he had no problem with that. The lady retrieved her dog and apologized. Real World proof of concept.

So you know no firearms or sharpened weapons of death, no dogs or people injured, no LE .. no vet bills or stitches for anyone involved. It was just another day and as I learned ... most attacks occur close to home????


So to be brief if you know there are dogs to be aware of in your neighbor ... carry a "Walking Stick" and use it to block that dog. For this to be successful however you have to have a well trained well disciplined dog! Near as I can tell a "Sold Stay" with increasing levels of distractions and training "Place and Doing Sit on the Dog" would be the most reasonable way to get there.

It's difficult to defend against a charging dog and fight with your dog at the sametime.

And for those with time to kill ... the full discussions following both my encounters can be found here.:
Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! Yet again ... but this time ... - German Shepherd Dog Forums

We do go on and on over there. :)
 

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Good save Chip. Think I may get one of those. Good idea. We have a new neighbor, with a lab...always off leash and in front yard. However it seems to have a solid stay and maybe an electric fence. I've seen the man biking too with the dog running along side and so far it seems very well trained.
 

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Oh a lab ... no pointy ears I take. That seems to be the thing of late with a few members on GSDforum and there Blk GSD's ... "is that a pointy eared lab or why did you crop your Blk lab's ears????" JQP ... I only get the ,is he a Wolf thing as Rocky is too big to big a lab,some at least know that much ... people you know. :)

It does not sound like you'll have a problem with that dog?? Course I never figured a dog would get past me either??? But crap happens ... and in the successful outcome I had ... I was the last one in the unfolding chain of events ... and the first one to stop the situation cold! Had I stuck with what I'd done in the past ... I don't know??

Rocky was not behind me as he had spotted the dog before I did (he was off leash following me) and this time he was on full alert ... he was ticked off!! OK stopped one dog but what about mine??? But "Rocky" held his ground as told and did not advance. But ... I was highly concerned ... worked out fine.

I was always aware of the "Walking Stick" thing but never saw the need?? But a beat down ... in the dark ... by an ex MWD ... DDD, female WL GSD (JoJo) showed me the folly of my ways. And now my advise to all neighborhood dog walkers is to "Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick." And use it to block the dog ... not hit them. Worked out fine. :)
 

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LOL Chip, sounds like you are in control. Yes I'm not worried about that lab. I walked past him with my three little yappers, who kept it quiet for a change and no problems. I don't think there will be.
 

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As stated earlier round two but this time ... I decided to follow my advice and carry a "Walking Stick" and to be clear ... you use the Walking Stick to Block a Charging Dog not strike them with it. Little did I know that only week or two after my first unfortunate encounter ... "Rocky and I" would encounter yet another "loose dog with intent coming after us!!!"

But that encounter worked out in spectacular fashion! :cheers:

Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! Yet again ... but this time ...
Sigh yet again ... now my life time average on thwarted attempts has moved to 17 and on Rocky and I alone it's 13 or is it 15 ... starting to lose count???

But this time it was different! First it was daylight. I saw people out in there driveway playing ball as we approached and an open garage door down the sidewalk. All warning signs of a "possible dog on the loose???

So we cross the street, and proceed forward ... they acknowledge us and we exchange greetings and "Rocky" and I proceed my newly acquired "Walking Stick" in hand, I'm on point and "Rocky" is off leash following ... we move along. When ... suddenly I hear people screaming???

This time however "Rocky is not on leash and I can't get him to my rear, he's seen the dog first and was ready to intercept and "this time ... Rocky ... did not look happy! This ...could be bad .. Rocky is not a charger but he is an interceptor and I have not seen that look in his eyes in years!

The dog was already within feet of us when I whirled around and I had no time to shield Rocky,so I shouted Stay! And at this time a couple weeks ago, I would have had to face the charging dog down and shout and stomp my feet to deter him. But with Rocky waiting and ready this time ... I don't know how that past approach would have turned out???

This time however .. and following my own advice. I had my walking stick ... already in hand! As I whirled and accessed and gave "Rocky a stay command, the Walking Stick sprung into action. Pretty much in the blink of an eye ... the charging ... Pointy eared lab (just kidding it was a regular lab) was about four feet from us and I slammed the walking stick "Down in front of that dog to block him." I did not expect the loud "thwack sound" and neither did that dog!

I had no idea dogs could stop that fast but that dog hit the binders hard! Then I had to make sure "Rocky" remained where he was next to me. So another Stay was issued and he had no problem with that. The lady retrieved her dog and apologized. Real World proof of concept.

So you know no firearms or sharpened weapons of death, no dogs or people injured, no LE .. no vet bills or stitches for anyone involved. It was just another day and as I learned ... most attacks occur close to home????


So to be brief if you know there are dogs to be aware of in your neighbor ... carry a "Walking Stick" and use it to block that dog. For this to be successful however you have to have a well trained well disciplined dog! Near as I can tell a "Sold Stay" with increasing levels of distractions and training "Place and Doing Sit on the Dog" would be the most reasonable way to get there.

It's difficult to defend against a charging dog and fight with your dog at the sametime.

And for those with time to kill ... the full discussions following both my encounters can be found here.:
Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! - German Shepherd Dog Forums

Argggg!!!! Dog Attack!!!! Yet again ... but this time ... - German Shepherd Dog Forums

We do go on and on over there. :)
17 situations with unleashed dogs charging?????????????????

I think it is time to get "the hell out of Dodge"
 

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17 situations with unleashed dogs charging?????????????????
I think it is time to get "the hell out of Dodge"
That's a lifetime total since 2001. But it ramped up fast when we moved to NV and I got "Rocky" Over Size WL GSD. Struddell was well to the rear when "Rocky" and I encountered our first situation details here.: German Shepherd Dog Forums - View Single Post - What would my dog do?

And since then encounters have ramped and pretty much all since I got Rocky?? And he does nothing worthy of note ... he simply follows me or he leads and I follow. We take turns on point. :)

But the approach to "deal" as I explained in that link, ... worked fine for years ... until it didn't as explained in my other thread. But these two encounters/threads are just this year. :crazyeye:

The walking stick block, pretty much put a stop to the crap cold! I've never seen a dog come to a dead stop that fast! The lady grabbed him up and said sorry. I think I said it's "alright or whatever" and Roc and I were back on our way. No harm no foul.

But had I used my old approach ... it would have been bad. I was slightly out of postion and "Rocky" saw the dog before I did and he was "Locked and Loaded." Somebody was gonna hurt this time!!

Most likely an air horn could have worked also ... if you just happened to have it in your hand when needed??? Or bear or pepper spray again if you happen to have it in your hand when needed and it's legal where one lives?? But any kind of "aerosol defense" (aside from an air horn) has to be aimed?? And a charging dog ... is a fast moving target sooo ... good luck with that approach.

And if successfully deployed (bear or Pepper Spray.) Most likely you'd have to deal at some level with a ticked tool of an owner on account of you hurt there poor "Rufus" who was just being a dog. And depending on the individual involved ... you might be in a "People Issue" situation. Tempers, flare fist get thrown LE, Lawyers, trips to the Hospital or trips to the Vet for the dogs involved etc, etc.

I don't need the hassle myself. I stopped that dog and never touched him. And taught him a noncontact lesson without saying a word or did I say "NO" not sure on that one?? But ... we were on our way once the lady retrieved her dog ... problem solved. :)

On the GSDForum one of the members said it sounded like this.:


A bit dramatic perhaps ... but yeah. My job is to protect my dogs ... and I am very good at my job. I try and help others to the do the same. I help ... out of control dogs to ... "make better choices!" :)
 

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Update ... encounter number 18 but ... now I carry my "Walking Stick" ... I just flat don't "Leave home without it" when I walk Rocky!

We were sigh ... just going for a walk ... I'm tried of the crap so I chose a local location where we are extremely unlike to encounter stray dogs?? And yet ... sure enough ... in the middle of next to freaking nowhere... we get challenged??? Cattle dog behind a Casino ... there is a house there and the dog came to the property line at first and saw me and stood. Rocky off leash was behind me and when he came next to me (Rocky) the Cattle Dog approached??? After our previous encounter ... apparently "Rocky" is not quite so quite content to let "daddy deal??" So he barked ... I said "No!" The CD left his property line and approached us. I don't need this crap, I am flat tired of it! I don't say a word ... I simply take my walking step and stomp the ground with it. The CD still looking comes closer?? I stomp the ground yet again with the walking stick ... as the CD gets closer.

The CD can't quite get this encounter figured out ... he then turns around and goes back to where he belongs ... I never said word ... worked out fine. :)
 

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I should try that! My girl is never off leash on walks because she's not well-trained enough! But we had an encounter with a small dog running from their house out onto the sidewalk and jumping all over Willow while growling. The owner was slow to get ahold of their dog (didn't try too hard) and I was furious. They issued a sheepish "sorry" and we moved on. Luckily Willow was just looking at me like "mom what's happening??" the whole time and wasn't vicious at all back to this other dog.

I worry when it's a small dog vs Willow because if Willow ever fought back she'd be blamed because she's bigger and can do more damage than those small dogs. It's never happened since but it was scary, luckily Willow has had no ill effects and is still her happy-go-lucky self!
 

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I should try that! My girl is never off leash on walks because she's not well-trained enough! But we had an encounter with a small dog running from their house out onto the sidewalk and jumping all over Willow while growling. The owner was slow to get a hold of their dog (didn't try too hard) and I was furious. They issued a sheepish "sorry" and we moved on. Luckily Willow was just looking at me like "mom what's happening??" the whole time and wasn't vicious at all back to this other dog.

I worry when it's a small dog vs Willow because if Willow ever fought back she'd be blamed because she's bigger and can do more damage than those small dogs. It's never happened since but it was scary, luckily Willow has had no ill effects and is still her happy-go-lucky self!
First I want to say ... glad your dog is OK! It sounds like everything turned out fine. So that's all good and now you know ... "Crap Happens." And the best preparation for the unexpected ... is a well trained dog. :)

And from the sounds of things (recall not withstanding) that's what it sounds like you have. If you can walk your dog on leash without issues ... then you already have 90% of what you need ... you just need to add a couple of things for the recall and the off leash bit ... if you chose. I'll get back to that but I'll try and stay focused on the encounter with the "Door Bolting" loose dog encounter for now. :)

And the walking stick ... yes ... absolutely, no doubt, now ... I don't leave home with out it! I'd suggested it in the past for "other owners" but me ... naw, I don't need one ... until I did??? Most likely my other dog attack thread explains?? Perfect storm situation, my perfect record of "No Dog gets by me to my dogs" failed ... under "Perfect Storm" conditions ... total darkness and EX MWD Drug Detection Dog ... freaking GSD to add insult to injury!!

Had I had the walking stick ... even at the last second I could have stopped her! Rocky got nipped and I have seen a bit of a blow back from that ... he is not quite as willing to stay behind me as he was, he prefers being beside me ... to help out if needed ... I'll exept, that but I still stop the charging dog with the walking stick by "Blocking" that dog!

The first time was more dramatic, as I slammed the stick down right in front of that dog at the last second and shouted "NO!" The second encounter ... not so dramatic. I never said a word, it was a simple thump on the ground when the dog saw me and a second thump ... when Rocky came next to me and barked once at the dog as the dog came closer! He then stopped stared ... thought about it and chose not to engage, turned around went home, good enough ... and I never said a word.

If your dog walks well on leash and it sounds like she does ... all you need to do is to train a stay, and you can accomplish, the exact same thing. I used to do a more "testosterone fueled" response in the past. A hard Stay for my dog and lot's of shouting and stomping of my feet! I'm getting old and I no longer want to bother with that crap!

Anyone can use a "Walking Stick" as a defensive measure. And I can guarantee ... most dogs have not seen that approach before??? They will stop and think and that gives them time to "Make Better Choices!" If I come across one that still choices poorly ... I'll let folks know. :)

But back on point, if you don't have a "Walking Stick" as a deterrence ... then what are you gonna do if a loose dog comes after yours???
 

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Would the walking stick come in handy to defend yourself against bicyclists who pass from behind, at high speed, without giving notice that they're even approaching?

I was hit by a bicyclist riding down a hill in the dark when I was crossing the street. Bikes are silent vehicles, and she didn't yell until she was right on me. If my dog had been at my side, instead of in the car parked nearby, it would have been killed. I guess she had left a bar, and I know that about 20% of bicycle accidents involve a bicyclists who has been using. I took a long ambulance drive, and had a 40% chance of dying from the extended chest injuries. I don't worry so much about other dogs, and some people.
 

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Oh Wow! I', so sorry you went thru that and hope you are now ok. I seldom think about bikes hitting me but we are a fairly small subdivision, when I walk otherwise I have to drive. But I agree even in here you are out walking or with dog and a bike just zooms past, I have a bell on my bike and I ring it as I approach or yell out passing by. You really don't hear a bike coming and the same is starting happen with electric cars.
 

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Would the walking stick come in handy to defend yourself against bicyclists who pass from behind, at high speed, without giving notice that they're even approaching?

I was hit by a bicyclist riding down a hill in the dark when I was crossing the street. Bikes are silent vehicles, and she didn't yell until she was right on me. If my dog had been at my side, instead of in the car parked nearby, it would have been killed. I guess she had left a bar, and I know that about 20% of bicycle accidents involve a bicyclists who has been using. I took a long ambulance drive, and had a 40% chance of dying from the extended chest injuries. I don't worry so much about other dogs, and some people.
Bicycles and Electric cars??? Safe to say outside the scope of this thread. That sounds scary ... glad your OK. :)

Your best protection for bicycles and cars is going to be SA (Situational Awareness) you have to know what's around you and where (threats) can come from?? I spend almost as much time looking behind me as I do looking forward when I walk my dogs ... and still on occasion get taken by surprise???

Advise I give/gave and now follow for walking at night ... is carry a flashlight. I wear a beanie light and carry a Onxy MD50 :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JE329YO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I liked the size as it is small and I was going to start with that one get something more powerful down the line ... but there was no need ... that light is seriously freaking bright! Three level of brightness and I usually trim it down to low at night. Despite the price ... it's not one of those cheap Led bulb
flash lights it's a LCD ... it is seriously bright, you'd not want to shine it into a drivers eyes at night! It also has a strobe and SOS functions ... it's pretty cool. :)

I use it off and on at night as required ... I don't have down hill slopes or drivers or bicycles to contend with where I tend to go on outings. If you do a note of caution ... with a light source at night. An observation from LE and there vehicles with lots of Flashing Lights ... drivers that are "impaired" ... tend to drive at the light source??

The use of a flashlight at night ... let's none, fool's ... know you are there. But it could also make you a target for those driving and biking impaired??? Strobe-ing and sweeping the light at night in a semi urban environment if vehicles are around, would most likely be a wise course of action??

As for the walking stick and a Bicycle??? Yeah ... not good ... if deployed in the same manner as one would use with a charging dog ... I'm pretty sure it would send a bicycle tumbling??? You'd have to jam it down at an angle in front of you and most likely step aside at the same time and if the stick did not break ... I'm pretty sure the rider would go tumbling???

Being "more" aware of threats from the rear and using a flashlight at night ... is most likely a more practical, course of action. :)
 

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You really don't hear a bike coming and the same is starting happen with electric cars.
Yeah ... we have a Toyota Prius now ... it's a creepy little thing in parking lots and in the back road desert neighbor ... I have to break and honk for Quail more often. They can't hear the car and at speeds below 25 mph the motor my or my not be running ... kinda weird???
 

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Yeah ... we have a Toyota Prius now ... it's a creepy little thing in parking lots and in the back road desert neighbor ... I have to break and honk for Quail more often. They can't hear the car and at speeds below 25 mph the motor my or my not be running ... kinda weird???
I was looking at the Prius a few months back, had a VW diesel, had to turn in because of the law suite against emissions. I like the Prius a lot but I didn't like the "quiet". I ended up with a Honda civic hatchback, its quiet enough, lol. I got out of it one day and couldn't lock the doors then I realized I didn't push the button to turn it off. I was use to the diesel sound.
 

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We used to carry walking sticks but then after more than a year of not needing it, stopped. And you can guess what happened next...
Boxer mix didn't like my buddy picking up my Boxer when the stray Boxer mix approached, I suppose, and attacked my buddy and my Boxer! Boxer just got a little fur nipped out, but my buddy needed an ambulance and still has scars to remind of that encounter. Sadly, City put Boxer mix down, when it should've been the owner who suffered some sort of punishment. But it was a fashion accessory or prop to the owner, who then learned how to jump the backyard fence when the owner stopped taking him on walks, and sadly this mix suffered by having to give up his life.
Now we have Mace and a large (shhhh - illegal) knife with us at all times, but after reading this I think I'll go back to the stick too...Hate the idea of having to hurt another dog because the owner's a jerk - but one question...please explain exactly how you slammed a stick down...or did you just slam the end of the stick down - stomping as you call it? I'm trying to figure out if it's that or something sideways or parallel to the ground.
 

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We used to carry walking sticks but then after more than a year of not needing it, stopped. And you can guess what happened next...
Boxer mix didn't like my buddy picking up my Boxer when the stray Boxer mix approached, I suppose, and attacked my buddy and my Boxer! Boxer just got a little fur nipped out, but my buddy needed an ambulance and still has scars to remind of that encounter. Sadly, City put Boxer mix down, when it should've been the owner who suffered some sort of punishment. But it was a fashion accessory or prop to the owner, who then learned how to jump the backyard fence when the owner stopped taking him on walks, and sadly this mix suffered by having to give up his life.
Now we have Mace and a large (shhhh - illegal) knife with us at all times, but after reading this I think I'll go back to the stick too...Hate the idea of having to hurt another dog because the owner's a jerk - but one question...please explain exactly how you slammed a stick down...or did you just slam the end of the stick down - stomping as you call it? I'm trying to figure out if it's that or something sideways or parallel to the ground.
Oh sorry I just now saw this. Been working 72 hour shifts so I'm out of touch at times. :)

Sorry that happened, unfortunately sometimes, some dogs have tools for owners and yes those dogs have to pay with their lives for the mistakes of there clueless owners. :(

But as to the mechanics of the "Stick??" It's deployed in front of the charging dog at an angle. And it "apparently" makes a loud "whack" sound when it hits the ground?? You use it to "block" the charging dog.

Your using it to "impede" the charging dogs progress. IE "where did that come from???" Apparently ... it startles the crap out of charging dogs?? All the charging dog sees at the time is a clear site line to his target??? Ideally you'd use hands one hand and one lower down to brace the stick for impact??? But apparently ... dogs have really good brakes???

The first time I used it was to "block" the Mad Lab, that came after us. I was caught off guard. And only had one hand free, and Rocky was slightly behind me off leash. I had no time to get in front of him??

I told Rocky to "STAY" and I brought the stick down one handed and at an angle in front of the Lab! Between him and Rocky. IT came down so hard and fast I thought it would break but it did not. And the thwack sound was a surprise to even me?? I "thought" the dog would bang into it (the stick) but apparently ... dogs don't do that?? They will hit the brakes hard and rethink this new unexpected development???

I've deployed it in anger twice thus far and gotten the same "WTH is this" response both times. They forget their original goal and just want to get outta there. But there is an X factor, you have to have a well trained dog for this approach to work. You can't protect your dog if you have to struggle with him to keep him out of the fight??? Stay means Stay and yes a well disciplined well trained dog ... will "just stand there" if he understands an owner has there back. :)

So the "stick" properly deployed is effective but it's just a "part of the process." Does this help???
 

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Ok ... Citronella Spray got mentioned in another thread, as a deterrent to stray dogs?? And in all modesty although I often say ... "I am not an expert." When it comes to successfully defending my dog against "Charging Strays" ... yeah I can claim that title.

I stand at 16 and 1 (sigh) and I learned more from the fail than I did from the 16, successful counters!! Because with the 16 successful counters ... well you'd have to be me!! And that method "depended on pure balls" no dog gets to mine without getting past me first!! And ... that worked for years, more than a decade. But sooner or later and if your doing something "stupid" i that time ie, no flashlight at night and you stumble across "that dog" ... your luck will run out?? Aww well live and learn ... many, years ago someone asked ..."what do you??" Well the above was my answer, basically have a well trained dog and be a man.

And yeah ... that does work but it's not that helpful or transferable ... but at the time ... it was the best I could do?? Well aside from posting good advise. But you know time goes on and "luck runs out!" And Rocky ... paid a price for my "agreeance eventually!" The irony is ... many years before that happened ... in another thread by another trainer ... I had posted a viable "transferable solution" for me and others!! I often post good advice ...but I don't always follow it???

And the advise I posted was by a trainer that gave a lot of options ... and one option, was to carry a "Walking Stick" to "Block" the charging Dog!! And that was good advise ... but I was like whatever. Live and learn unfortunately it took Rocky getting nipped and me being stupid and arrogant to understand the wisdom of the advise ...uh I had given. :chair:

The rest I have already told ...
As to specifically the "Citronella Spray" as a deterrent to a charging dog?? Naw ... I'm not a fan. First because as an anti bark collar the stuff is pretty much useless. The stuff sprays when a dog barks and lingers in the air and thus there is no association to the fragrance and the dogs behaviour???

And second because, it gives a false sense of security?? It may deter a non threat dog. The dog is annoying but not really a threat?? But a hard core charging dog that is looking at your dog like he's raw meat?? Will blow right thru a Citronella Mist like it's not even there!!!

Bear Spray is a much a better option or a "Boat Air Horn." Would be better still.

I prefer the Walking Stick over either of those however. Cause I just want to stop the threat and be on my way! If you use the Citronella spray on some little half threat as it were and it does stop them ... and the owner is present ... then your most likely gonna have to stop and explain why exactly you were mean to Roofus??? Blab, Blab, Blab ... I don't have the time or patience for that crap!!

I prefer a "Walking Stick!" And I use it to Block the threat!! I stopped "Mad Lab" ...right freaking now ... Cold!!" I did not spray the owners dog ... I never touched the dog! So nothing to apologize for! The threat was stopped cold, right freaking now! An apology for the threat (posed by the owners dog to mine) was given and a non contact solution from me, was what stopped the issue! I replied with a "No Problem" as a response ... and we were on our way. :)

And short of a "Hand Gun" you can't do better than that! And in NV ... I would have been within my legal right to gun that dog down ... no problem! But ... that is not how we roll ... no harm, no foul ... worked out fine. :)

Little dogs can be annoying and yeah most likely the "citronella spray" would stop them?? If you can hit them ... but if you do ... and the owner is there ... they will be bitter, because you "Sprayed" Roofus!!!

And now ... your engaged with the dogs owner, if present?? I don't have time for that crap ... peoples untrained dogs "automatically tick me off!" And I just as soon, not deal with them or LE! Walking Stick as a "Block" is a no harm no foul solution! It worked fine and we were out of there!!!

And the "Pro" I first posted and thus became aware of the "Walking Stick" counter ... did not mention the things ... I just did! So I don't know that he had actually used a "Walking Stick" as a countermeasure?? But ... I have and "anti tool as I am" SLL only ... these days I won't walk a dog without my "Walking Stick!"

Now if I wind up with a Deaf White Boxer ... sigh, then I'll have to add an E-Collar remote on walks!!! That would suck for me ... but I suppose I'd get over it. :)
 

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Sigh ... this happened a couple weeks ago but ... yet again another loose dog encounter with yet another "Mad Lab!"

This time with my "new" pig headed/stubborn and kinda crazy Boxer/Pit! And me without my walking stick!?

Dog was ... aggressively determined! He was pretty much intent on getting to my girl!! Well no problem then cuz "Walking Stick or not ... I was just as determined ... that he was not going to!!!

But this time I did not have my other dogs! So a "Stay" was not gonna work?? And Bella had "proven" to be a total A-Hole as regards other dogs in the past. But here we were a live fire drill as it were??

Bella was on leash and I honestly had no idea how she would react?? I expected a "lot of issues" here??" But much to my surprise?? She deferred to me!?? The A-hole dog tried to get past me and yeah that is not gonna happen So I had to circle to keep him in front and me between him and Bella! And much to my surprise Bella complied?? She circled with m to stay in the rear??

She was quite content to let me deal and she stayed behind me as we spun, to keep me between that dog and her! :)

After a couple of spins the Lab gave up and went across the street!! So it all turned out ... just fine! No harm no foul as it were! Now how and why (exactly) she chose to do what I needed, under duress ... I have no idea??

Cuz rest assured when "off leash" she is pretty much a total A-hole ... still??!!! But on that day at that time and under those circumstances ... she did just fine! :)
 

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Good for Bella Chip and good for you too. You managed to keep both of you safe. I bet you won't forget your walking stick on your next walk. The sad thing here is my poodle is reactive, well more like a scary cat. If he sees a loose dog he will bark then start leaping in the air and want to jump and hug me. Its like he thinks he is a little puppy and I should pick him up and hold him. Now he is fine if the other dog is leashed, he is a bit excited but maintains his behavior and if someone is walking a calm dog we can walk along with them. He is now neutered so we shall see if lack of hormones will help calm him a bit. My one neighbor seems to insist on letting his huge pitt sit on his front lawn with him because it listens. I'm just not in good enough shape anymore to handle a one time not listening so my walks are getting less and less and really I just don't enjoy it as aI did as I'm always worried. I am glad you and Bella are fine.
 

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Yeah it did work out fine. It's been awhile since I've had to do that. My first thought was well "maybe it will be fine??" But my second thought was ... screw this, I don't like get bum rushed! And I don't want my dog getting injured!

So "Game On!" My walking stick would have been less stressful for me, I tend to think?? But I didn't have it, so we had to do the circle thing?? Bella caught on real quick and I was presently surprised, and she did great!

I'd not trained that specific behavior?? But I did start Structured Walks and we would stop and start, turn left and turn right and uh sometimes ... make a circle! :)

Oh and I have found,... sigh, that with "Bella" a "prong Collar" is quite useful.

But yeah under duress it sounds like your guy has some quirks?? And that would make keeping him safe more problematic. But yes just walking your dog can be kinda tuff. On any given day you don't know what "loose dogs if any or out there????

And your neighbor with the big Pit, although apparently well trained, he is nonetheless being rude, if nothing else.
 
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