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baby King is on an all raw, BARF diet so that means he eats raw meaty bones, particularly chicken backs, whole fish, bee ribs, and then he also eats an array of oils, veggies, fruit, etc. Here are a few examples of breakfast and dinners that I prepare for him. I will alternate these from day to day. I'll post pictures later.

Red Ribs
10 oz raw beef ribs
1 tbsp minced garlic
2 tbsp raspberries

Berry Backs
10 oz raw chicken backs
2 tbsp strawberry yogurt

Fish Sauce
1 whole Blue Fish (approx. 8 oz)
2 tbsp sugar free apple sauce
1 tbsp apple cider vinegar

Sh*t Salad
3 tbsp pre-puree spinach and raspberries mix
1 tsp of minced garlic
1/2 chopped tomatoe
1 tbsp olive oil
1 tbsp apple cider vinegar
1 whole egg
1 tbsp egg shell powder
 

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I have been seriously considering going raw. I do feel it is best for dogs. I need to get a freezer first and get over the YUCK factor. From all I have read you have to feed 80% meat 10% bone and 10% offal :sick: The fruits and veggies are great.
 

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The yuck factor quickly becomes the mud-pie factor from when you were a kid playing in the mud after the rain. If you mess with chicken, it's not that bad. You just have to clean up real well. I bought a 40 lb box of chicken backs and then put them in my shower to thaw, and then 1 by 1, I just cut them in half, wrapped them and put them in the freezer. It becomes exciting to make meals and then when you go shopping you look for things to try in the produce dept. My mother grows tomatoes and I just decided to throw that in his Sh*t Salad. You wont regret it either!
 

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I should come to eat at your house :D. What a great recipe. When our dogs know there is meat on the counter they start drooling and won't leave the kitchen. How old is King? How is he loving his BARF diet?
 

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He'll be 11 weeks this Sunday. He's doing very well on the BARF. I give him all veggies, Sh*t Salad, in the morning or night and that way he'll eat them all since he's so hungry. He loves strawberries, apple sauce and raw eggs. I don't think he likes raspberries too much. They may be too tart. I don't blame him. But he's taking very well to it. His poops are very small and when left unattended for just minutes it becomes rock hard and very easy to pick up. All the nutrients and water in the food goes right into his body. It's lean too so he's not a fat boy by any means.

Here's a vid of him eating some Fish Sauce

[video:26ai9npz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpZn9s7xcw[/video:26ai9npz]
 

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Good stuff. I wish I only had to feed 10 oz of meat per meal. My american bulldog eats over 2 pounds a day. It gets expensive! I feed more the prey model diet and don't bother with veggies, I don't think dogs need them but thats a whole other topic.
 

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It's better to be safe than sorry in my opinion. What's a few veggies hurt? Right now he eats 10% his body weight and by 6-8 months he'll be down to 2%. Mister King needs all the nutrients he can get. I'm glad to see there are those who follow BARF and/or are interested. It's not for everyone and I've figured that out already. As a vegetarian, myself, I've learned that you'll run into more confusion/questions than acceptance and that's just the way it goes. Live and let live.
 

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I too feed raw, but I go by the prey model diet rather than "barf". Dogs are carnivores and cannot digest the cellulose in veggies and fruits. If you still would like to add them to the diet, I can't see them doing any harm but I would not include them in the daily percentages your dog needs to consume. You can make the nutrients in veggies more available to them by running it through the blender to break up the cell walls. But, you've probably read all that before in your research ;)
Personally, I forgo the veggies also and just stick with meat, bone and offal.

I'm sure King is loving his diet and he is a very lucky pup to have you!
 

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That's a great video- It's hard to find video of puppies eating raw. I also subscribe to the prey model style raw diet. That also reminds me, I've got to grab some fish for the pups!
 

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I started out feeding Abbey vegie mush as well but frankly gave up on it b/c she hated it. Now I follow the prey model as well, with green tripe as a daily component when its available. Otherwise it chicken rmbs for dinner and a mix of ground meats and offal for breakfast. Sometimes Ill mix in some rice or oats, especially if I notice her straining to go and she'll get some fruit in her kong. But Sully I feel your pain, Abbey eats almost 2lbs of raw meat a day and im always looking for deals, which can be tough in Hawaii. I cant think I would be able to continue this diet if/when we get a second dog. My bf is gonna start hunt sheep and goat soon, so hopefully I can incorporate that into her diet and offset some of the costs!
 

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All of our pups are lucky! Have you guys looked into finding a butcher/meat packaging plant that offers chicken backs at discounted bulk prices? I buy 40 lb of chicken backs for 18 dollars from a local meat plant. I've had him for 3 months and have only bought 1 bulk box. "He's only a puppy.." I know, he AND his appetite will get bigger. Also, I blend his veggies to break down the cellulose. It's as if he's eating the innards of a prey's stomach. I have a lot of fun preparing his meals. And I bet in Hawaii you get some really great fresh fish!
 

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Yeah, the fish part is good, she is a big fan of fresh fish for sure! but no chicken plants here, Im afraid all of our chicken comes from the mainland and while I can get chicken backs, they cost about 2$ a lb and I can get whole chix at costco for 1.29$/lb so it doesnt make sense to buy the backs. I agree that it can be fun to hunt around and find good deals as well as see what kind of weird animal parts I can convince my dog to eat!!
 
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me and marco have been talking about switching Trip to raw.... I have been reading alot about it and have been talking to some people on another forum that do it and they say that it actually is quite a bit cheaper than feeding a kibble... what would you say about that? Does it seem like you are spending less $$ or more? But my one thing is that I am hearing a lot of different views on it... like some have said that all you really need to feed is meat and bones and they will be fine and you can add veggies and other stuff if you want... but then I have also talked to a few people that say that its a pain in the a*s and you have to add all kinds of suppliments and that it is a ton of work? So I am confused on what to do... someone gave me this site to look at and it seems pretty good http://www.fotodanes.com/diet.htm I just dont wanna screw up and hurt trip by just giving him meat and bones if he needs more than that? Also I have NO idea where to look for the meat?? Cause I know that just going to like safeway I would spend a fortune...
 

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I understand if you do the 80% meat 10% bone and 10% offal you do not need to add supplements. I really do want to start the raw feeding. I am worried about the expense. I also need a freezer and have no place to put one. The green tripe thing gags me thinking about it :sick: :sick: :sick:.
 

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They do need more than meat and bones, they also need offal- very important.
Personally, I do not supplement other than occasional fish oil and garlic for fleas. If you've been through all the sites on the Raw Feeding sticky here, then I don't have much to add. You'll just have to read read read and decide what is best for your dog. As you can see some people supplement, some feed veggies, and some just stick with 80% meat 10% bone and 10% offal. Whichever you chose to do- it will be many times better than a kibble diet :)

As it is, I do not have a freezer for buying in bulk so I buy everything at walmart and get sales whenever possible. Chicken leg Quarters are $6 something for 10 pounds (used to only be $4.48!) and I also get ground beef, pork necks, whole chickens and turkey and almost anything when it's on sale. I think I'm going to try a box of chicken backs and see if I can fit it in somehere :)

My two eat about 84lbs per month between them. Let's say 60lbs of that is chicken at $0.60/lb that's $36 plus an average of about $1.20 for other protein sources for the next 15 pounds and that's about $54/month for BOTH dogs. That will vary depending on what I buy that month, if I can find veal, lamb, oxtail, beef tongue/cheek meat on sale I buy that at a higher than average cost for variety. Sometimes I'm able to get free meat from other people, usually it's venison they are trying to clear out that is a little too old for people or they need to make room for this year's kill.

One thing you will save on by feeding raw is vet costs! My dogs aren't as susceptible to fleas, Felix's teeth are GREAT (Delilah was fed kibble for the first 6 years of her life so hers aren't as good, but are much cleaner than they used to be). Their ears are clean, no infections or mites. AND probably the most noticeable benefits, as King has pointed out, are the small poops! Accidents are easy to clean up, they dry in minutes and I can vacuum up whatever crumbles I couldn't pick up with a bag. Also, you don't really need to pick them up in the yard since they dry in the sun and crumble after a few days.
 
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so you just get all your meat/bones/organs etc at walmart?

...sorry, yeah, I knew that you also need to feed organs and all that too, I was just wondering what everyone thought about adding suppliments and anyother extras like that? Cause from what I have read, it mostly sounds like all they really need is meat/bones/organs, but there have just been a few people that have told me that there is so much more to it so that is what worried me. Trips food is almost gone, maybe 3-4 days left tops and then we are gonna try the raw diet out for a few months and go from there...

...another question: that site that i posted above said that there is really no point in doing a 'gradual switch' from kibble to raw, what did you guys do with switching? Did you just go right into it or try and feed a mix of kibble and raw? Also it says that for at least the first week or so you should start out with just one animal source (like feed only chicken) and then gradually add in different animals?
 

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It can be really intimidating in the beginning for sure, but it gets super easy after a while. As goodgirl said, read read read and then just try it. Dont over complicate things and start with a single protein source...chicken is what I started with. and slowly add new stuff in.
As for being expensive, I guess that depends on how creative you are and what deals you can find but for me feeding a high grade kibble or dehydrated raw was more expensive and Abbey rarely finished a meal. Im really happy with the diet, Abbey eats well and her coat gleams, clean ears, small poops are a bonus! I dont find it very time consuming at all, a little bit of cutting and portioning once a week is most of the work. and yes, green tripe is disgusting but man does Abbey love it! Good luck!!
 

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I'm pleased to hear you're thinking about switching. The best advice I can give you is the advice you've gotten elsewhere: Just switch cold turkey. Processing kibble and RMB's are completely different and if you have equal parts in the dog's body it can make things messy. I've had King since he was 5 weeks and before I got him he was eating a cup of kibble, three times a day, but since he was so young I can't say I remember "transitional" mishaps. A few times, however, while I was training him heavily, I was using treats that were kibble in nature, heavy in grains, etc. And his poop was a little runny at times. But here's the lowdown on it:

It's cheap. I read about this benefit and it's true. It really is cheap. You can find meat markets in your area, anywhere that sell bulk boxes of chicken backs for less than 20 dollars. The parts are useless to butchers. I did research for about 3 solid weeks to find the place and I searched as far as 3 hours away and the place I go to now I found out is only 25 minutes from my place.

Becaues the dog's body is taking everything from the food, you'll notice your dog drink less water and poop less. King's poop is small and when left unattended for 10-15 minutes it turns hard as a rock and then after a day, turns completely white.

Supplements are not completely necessary but to ensure the pup is getting everything, imho, it doesn't hurt to give him some things that are also cheap that will provide some beneficial nutrition. For example, a tbsp of apple cider vinegar, tbsp of olive oil and veggies are great adds to any meal.

Read up on it, plan for it, and remember to take it slowly. I just gave King raw chicken backs for the first few days until I had the time to blend a bunch of spinach, berries and even raw egg whites together and give it as a meal. Sh*t Salad FTW.

Any ??? while you're switching Dozer and Co. :slap: , we can help.
 

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this makes me want to switch to raw....ive been reading about it, and the more i read the more i want to do it. thank god theres a million butchers around where i live...it shouldnt be too hard for me to get my hands on chicken backs :D
 

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It makes something so mundane really fun. A trip to the grocery store is also a search for ingredients that your pup may like. When King gets older I'll take him to the farmer's market for his veggies.
 
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