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Black boxer survey

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#1 ·
I am not wanting to make another "black" is not a boxer discussion. With all the pedigrees,gene pools, and akc rules aside,
How many of you would like to have a solid black boxer if there was such a thing?
Everytime I see a pic of a boxer that is black with no brindle showing at all, I always think they are awsome looking and would like to have one as a couch potato:)
 
#2 ·
I would absolutely own a black boxer, i think they are beautiful! all the way around just amazing looking! if we were to get another boxer i would probably look for a black boxer regardless of "being against the rules" i LOVE them... but we are getting a mastiff next soo i can just admir from afar :)
 
#4 ·
How many of you would like to have a solid black boxer if there was such a thing?
Alternatively, how many would like a purple Boxer with green polka dots if there was such a thing? :)  Myself, I love the deep red fawns, but I think a navy blue Boxer with silver markings would be quite striking!

OK, on a more serious note, I wouldn't want a solid black Boxer because it wouldn't be pure Boxer; if I were one who rescued I wouldn't mind a solid black Boxer mix, but as one who shows and breeds I always want to preserve the purity of the breed.
 
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I wouldn't really want a black boxer...to me when I think of boxer..I think fawn..not to say the other colors aren't best...but that is what I think of as a boxer and I will most likely ever own a fawn (unless they are given to me like Bo was...which I lucked into a free fawn with my ideal markings, lol)
 
#16 ·
So you purist are telling me that back 200 years ago, they had 100% pure blooded boxers or did they breed other breeds together to come up with the boxer standard? If so, there is no breed that is 100% pure, they just started breeding dogs with like traits after the standard was made.
My question was would you want one, not if they have a 7 gen pedigree you could trace back to BFE. I think it would be nice for someone to throw the black gene in there while maintaining the boxers looks and personality, It might knock off some health problems that boxers have and produce a better quality dog.
Thats just my $0.02, but I know some people take the paperwork a little too far.
 
#17 ·
So  you  purist  are  telling  me  that  back  200  years  ago,  they  had  100%  pure  blooded  boxers  or  did  they  breed  other  breeds  together  to  come  up  with  the  boxer  standard?  
No and no. :)  First of all, the Boxer as a breed isn't 200 years old; however from about 170-120 years ago the Brabanter Bullenbeiser was selectively bred (and sometimes crossed with English Bulldog) to maintain and improve on the functional abilities desired at the time (in this case, an all-around dog - guard, escort, family dog, butcher's dog, hunting dog, etc.).  In the late 19th century a group of fanciers got together and wrote a description of the ideal dog of this type, and formed a Club of like-minded people who valued the traits of the dog and wanted to protect it from negative change.  They didn't just throw two breeds together as the 'doodle/mix' breeders do now; they took two established breeds of similar type and function, and made discriminate crosses to improve and enhance existing traits.

If  so,  there  is  no  breed  that  is  100%  pure,  they  just  started  breeding  dogs  with  like  traits  after  the  standard  was  made.  
No, in most cases breed standards (and the concept of "breeds") were created after the dogs had been purposely developed for their given function and were breeding true (consistent type) for generations.

I  think  it  would  be  nice  for  someone  to  throw  the  black  gene  in  there  while  maintaining  the  boxers  looks  and  personality,  
Run down to the shelter, or check petfinder.com - there are any number of Boxer mixes available, many crossed with black dogs, and Boxer mixes often are mostly Boxer-ish in look and personality.  (As much so as you'd get from most "black Boxer" breeders, at any rate.)

It  might  knock  off  some  health  problems  that  boxers  have  and  produce  a  better  quality  dog.  
How so?  The most likely breeds to cross with a Boxer for a black coat color without losing much type have many of the same genetic health issues that Boxers have - and a few, like PRA, that they don't.  So you're doubling up on existing problems in the breed, and adding new ones as well.

Thats  just  my  $0.02,  but  I  know  some  people  take  the  paperwork  a  little  too  far.
It's not remotely about the paperwork.  It's about preserving the integrity in conformation, temperament, and health of the breed we love; it's about ensuring that people who want a Boxer because of their unique traits get the dog they want, with the best chances of a long and healthy life.  I realize you're simply asking a hypothetical, but "black Boxers" are the latest money-making scam, with unknowing buyers paying $1500-2500 for these "rare-colored" mixed breeds who come from unknown backgrounds with a high risk of genetic health or temperament problems.  It's difficult to speculate on "what if" the color existed, because of the ever-increasing number of unscrupulous breeders who are capitalizing on just such speculation.  (The purple with green polka dots speculation is much more effective in that regard, since I can't think of any way one could actually breed such an animal!)  If these dogs were sold as "black Boxer mixes" there would be far less cause for concern - but of course, the breeders couldn't get the exorbitant prices they're getting, either.
 
#21 ·
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I need to "take a chill pill".  If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.

I asked my buddy that does lab hunting and field trains other peoples dogs if he wished there was a brindle lab? He said "that would be awsome, they would be able to camo themselves better in the woods".
That would at least be a semi-functional change, though not germane to the purpose for which the Labrador was bred.  

Oh well, so I guess there are a few people out there like me that would like one.
As I said, visit the shelters or petfinder.com - there are dozens of black Boxer-ish dogs who would love a good home. :)
 
#22 ·
Next time I will ask this question.
If you would like to have a black boxer (if there was such a thing) post yes to this question.
If you would not, then don't post.
But then again it's hard to ask a silly question like this on a forum without someone getting all technical and blah blah blah
You said " If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question" My question was (yes) or (no)!
I was just wanting to see how many people would choose one if there was such a thing. Thanks to all of you that replied (yes) and to those that replied (no) by not replying!
 
#24 ·
Honeyec\";p=\"69582 said:
Sorry, Brown, but it's a bit unrealistic to ask a question and then add a caveat that anyone who doesn't agree with you shouldn't bother answering!
They can answer no, that they would not like one. Simple! I was not looking for black boxer history lesson. Just a yes or no, as stated in my question!
The reason I asked is because everyone is asking me if my pup will get darker as he ages. Both of my gray "blue" pitbulls have gotten darker as they got older!
 
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#25 ·
You are being rather childish for being upset when someone disagrees with you..this is a boxer forum...we have the right to know the truth about the "black boxer" and since one does not exist it is important that us as boxer supporters know the truth
 
#26 ·
Thank you Roxy, Bumpy, Honey & Aquagirl. :)

You said " If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question" My question was (yes) or (no)!
I was referring to your follow-up question, the answer to which caused you to tell me to "take a chill pill".  That question was about the development of the breed and the breed standard.

I was not looking for black boxer history lesson.
Well, that's fortunate, because you didn't get one. ;)  The history of the "black Boxer" is different from the history of the Boxer breed as a whole.
 
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