I think that you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here. . .
We have emailed AKC and they do recognize black boxers but will only let you regester them as brindle which is what they are.
There is NO black coat color (genetically speaking) in boxers, which, when it comes down to it is what really matters. Yes, there is a *brindle* gene in boxers, which is why I have less of a problem as boxers being advertised as "black brindles" (key word here being the word "brindle") but advertising "black boxers" is just wrong, as the color of true black is a genetic impossibility.
They are brindle boxers where the brown has been ruled out in their genes.
Aside from "brown" not being a recognized boxer coat color, (correct terminology is "fawn"), basic understanding of canine genetics tells us that this is impossible. It's just not that easy. Brindle is nothing more than a marking pattern. Yes, there will be variation within that marking pattern, but you will always see a few fawn hairs, patches, etc show through at least somewhere on the coat.
Besides, since our standard *clearly* states the the fawn MUST show through, anything other than that is a disqualification per our breed standard, period.
They are not mixed with any other dog and that is just a ubsurd thing to say as the black color in boxers did exsist in the early 1900's and they where not mixed with lab as the lab did not come to be until later.
You have your history wrong. At some point Frau Stockmann said that a black schnauzer (not a lab) got to a boxer bitch in season and black puppies resulted, but what we have to keep in mind here is that 1) even then those dogs were not purebred, and 2) they were eliminated and therefore became extinct along with the black coat color long ago.
Our boxers are what they are and if they were mixed then they would not have allowed the grandmother of the one in the picture above to be a champion.
Be careful of who's pics you're posting. If they're not yours, you may be in violation of numerous internet copyright infringement laws.
And to your point about their champion grandmother, so what? This isn't to say that the mix couldn't have occurred elsewhere in the line. The dog in your avitar is obviously brindle (and I wonder how Medley would feel about you posting one of her photos or one of her client's photos without her permission).
Say what you wish but mabe do a bit of research on the colors.
You might want to take a bit of your own advice?
And just because akc dosent allow them in the ring dosent mean they are not purebred.
If they're not allowed in the ring, then you shouldn't be breeding for them. You should be breeding to better the breed, not to create more pets.
It is just what nature wanted it to be.
No, boxers are a man made breed. They always will be. If we wanted to let nature take it's hand, then we wouldn't be striving to maintain our "artificial" man made breeds, period.
And will just as happily sell it to a pet only home just as I do my show puppies.
Do you show your own dogs? If not, how do you feel qualified to sell their offspring as show prospects?
And, Im sure Burning River, and Vintage will agree:
Breeding for color alone is unethical. Period.
Yes, I do agree, thanks Paula!
Is this your website? I've been there a few times. Actually, I used to know one of your buyers. . . He asked me my opinion of his puppy before he ever even bought it and I told him that, honestly, because of his coat color (which was indeed black), he did not conform to the breed standard. (Actually, there were other Conformation issues there that I didn't disclose to him, as I was, at the time, trying to be nice. Things like his dane facedness, *horrible* ear crop, lack of stop, low tailset, roached topline, straight rear, etc.)
He wanted to show him. You sold him a "show prospect" that is an outright disqualification per our breed standard. . .
How ethical is that?