LOL well thanks for that ... learning to distinguish between "questions" and "criticism" is "apparently" an art??
I use a lot of the threads I started (here) pretty much all the time and looking back on some of them ... now I'm like "WOW" ... "who brought that dog into the "Dog Park Kinda thing???" :chair:
I seemed to have "ticked off" one of my "Pro Friends" on the GSDFoum.
She saw my posts/threads here and suggested I kick it up a notch over there! Apparently ... there are alot of "Pet People" over there and they seemed to do alot of the "Click and Treat" stuff with "alot of dogs with "serious freaking issues" and not having much luck ...so in full on Homie mode "I kicked it up a notch their and as I am want to say ... :
It was "Game ON" as they say! Lot's of dust ups ensued and I kept the mods working over time! That "one upsmanship" thing (in one thread) kinda stopped me cold??? Much to my "annoyance" I could not figure out how to respond to what I felt were a lot of "broad sweeping generalizations" without being accused of "one upsmanship??" :chair:
Ticked me off but when the dust settled .... I seem to have switched sides??? I've actually "ticked her off" I think the Dog is a Dog thing did that???
If you can train a dog you can train a dog ... "Breed doesn't matter" yes some quirks "Boxers and short attention spans" and GSDs and people issues but if you can train dogs ... you can train dogs. Living with them (A particular Breed) is another matter and yes different dogs do different things but the basics (Pet Principles) are still the same ... "don't be acting like a fool dog!"
At any rate ... when the dust settled, I seemed to have switched sides?? The peoples favorite as it were??? And now she seems to be ticked off at me?? Aww well ... what are you gonna do ... she brought the "Bad Dog" into the "Dog Park" as it were and lost control. That's why I don't take my dogs to them ...some people can't control there dogs.
Back on pointe ... the "E Collar and a Prong???" On a dog as young as yours??? "No One" does that??? And I can guarantee if you even mention using those tools on a puppy under at less than 16 weeks (there) ... people would have a freaking cow!!!
But as I am want to say ... I am a "Missouri" kinda guy:
And ... you did!!! :clap2:
We can all see your dog, so the only "arguments" that could be given would to be from the hard core "I don't care" and I am going to tell you that would did ... "can't be done" and here is why!
Yeah ... not my style "I tend to say" per Jeff "Show your work!" And ... well you have! I would say that ... I'm not entirely sure the "average" owner could do what you did?? But ... that it can be done ... is no longer a question!
If someone asked me "how long does it take for your dog to be fully off leash trained ... I'd have said ... I have no idea???
Rocky my GSD with (former) people issues, is the only dog I ever trusted off leash. Gunther and Struddell were reliable but I never allowed it??
Gunther I can't really say why not, Struddel I can ... I've just had a lot of very heartbreaking losses with Boxers and Boxer/Mixes so "I" was just not willing to alow them off leash on neighborhood walks... that had nothing to do with the "Dogs" or training ... that was just about "me."
Moving on ... now ... if asked I would say for a dog to be fully off leash trained ... using the "Kolher Method of Dog Training (KMODT))" it takes at a minimum 10 weeks for a dog to be fully off leash trained.
That was the only method I was aware of that could "guarantee" that result! That "was" the case ... until you and "Smokie!"
I think it's fair to question whether the average dog owner can do what you've done?? But that it "can" be done ... well there is no longer any doubt!!
I'm not the one to try and "convince you" that what you've achieved can't be done! My "challenge" when I get my next puppy will be to see if I can achieve "similar" results with only a "SLL??" So ...once again ...job well done! :clap2: