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We put a deposit down on a healthy baby due this weekend. This has given me time to think. The baby will be about 90% European. Our last boxer was American and i think i prefer the American look. Is there much difference in the European? I'm starting to worry about the droopy eye look. I don't mind that the dog looks bigger and has bigger build but the eye thing is starting to worry me. Our boxer didn't have this but I'm seeing it a lot in the European. Any comments?
 

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The only time I really notice it is when Zuke is tired. Other than that once the skull matures it became less noticeable then when he was a pup. At least that is what happened with my guy.
 

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Mostly going to be determined by the parents/genetics.
Is that a trait in them?
Yup that too. Zuke is like a mini clone of his father from his build to coloring. Breeder said when his father was young he had ectropion and as he matured it was much less noticeable. Pretty much exactly what happened with Zuke.

Only thing I noticed compared to the tighter american lines is I have to clean his eyes more and the folds under the eye.
 

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Mostly going to be determined by the parents/genetics.
Is that a trait in them?
a little bit. But not major. 🙂 i didn't know if it came out depending on their age. Like if they didn't have it as a puppy, it might start as they age or vice versa, if they could grow out of it.
 

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Well to state the "obvious" the time to "worry about it," is before you "put money down ... not after." :)

But hey people do stuff. Boxers hail from the "Bullenbeisser breed and that dog was of the Mastiff family." The Bullenbeisser, and the English Bulldog gave us the Euro Boxers:
Boxer Dog Origin, History and Ancestors

and when those "original (Dogs of War) Euro Boxers," were hmm ... reintroduced to "America , "the second time" after WW II, The American Boxer, came about. Slimer and leaner and a much different "temperament" ie kinda goofy ... if you will. :)

Now how that was done ... exactly?? I have no idea?? Nor have I been able to find out?? At this point that answer is most likely lost to history??? WW II, veterans and the "Dog Men" among them are in there 90's or more these day's. Well no one aside from me, ask "how exactly" was this done?? American Line Boxer, but the results speak for themselves and those days have fans "World Wide."

Longish aside as it were but back on point. I have never seen the "Drooping Eyes" in a Boxer myself?? But I've never seen a full Euro either?? Lot's of American Euro's crosses out here and they tend to be built pretty much like there American counter parts ... cept a bit bigger. :)

But if I were to venture a guess and assuming, the Breeder started with Euro "stock??" Most likely it is a "trait" that does not show up in most "Euro's" but could appear in some?? It could indeed be a "genetic" trait to some "Bloodlines??" English Bulldog and Bullenbeisser, got us the Boxer. And those dogs are derived from Molosser's ... these guys.:
olitan Mastiff (Mastino Napoletano, Neo, Italian Mastiff)

And my guess for that trait would be it's from a "Neo??" If it were indeed the case ...it would have happened, well centuries ago! So you know good luck tracking that one down?? But you'd have to start with the "Bullenbeisser" a long extinct breed. And a breed that was "bred" out of existence. Cuz you know what, did that consist of??

And yeah ...none of this is much help; I suppose, but it could explain what you've seen??? But of more practical use ... did you see the parents?? And do they have that trait??
 

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Mom and dad. 🙂
Not really noticeable. Tiny bit of droopiness. Are you worried about something medically?

When I talked to my vet about Zukes eyes when he was a pup, she said as long as there are no issues with his eyes she said they will be fine. He is three plays in the sand at the beach everyday, goes out on bike rides and walks, very active and I have never had any issues with his eyes.

I guess I'm not sure what you are asking? haha. Its really up to you if you like that look or not. Personally I like it, I think it gives a little bit of character to the face.
 

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Not really noticeable. Tiny bit of droopiness. Are you worried about something medically?

When I talked to my vet about Zukes eyes when he was a pup, she said as long as there are no issues with his eyes she said they will be fine. He is three plays in the sand at the beach everyday, goes out on bike rides and walks, very active and I have never had any issues with his eyes.

I guess I'm not sure what you are asking? haha. Its really up to you if you like that look or not. Personally I like it, I think it gives a little bit of character to the face.
. I don't want to see the redness of the eyes. Makes the dog look like he sick to me. I now understand that it happens when a dog has a pushed in face or extra skin because the skin gets weighed down, but prior to me finding this out, i always thought dogs had cherry eye. But i still find it unattractive.
 

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. I don't want to see the redness of the eyes. Makes the dog look like he sick to me. I now understand that it happens when a dog has a pushed in face or extra skin because the skin gets weighed down, but prior to me finding this out, i always thought dogs had cherry eye. But i still find it unattractive.
Ah ok. I can only speak for my guy and it really is only noticeable when he is tired. I don't think there would be anyway for you to definitively know exactly what will happen. I would say what bte2 said and if you are ok with what the parents look like its probably going to be similar with the pup, but no guarantees.
 

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. What does this mean?
Its the inner membrane of the eye "third eyelid". They can be dark, light or sometimes clear. Joe is saying if it is dark and stays that way it wont be very noticeable.

When they are light it can amplify the droopiness
 

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What type of contract did you sign when you gave the breeder a down-payment? Are there photos of his Boxers online that would give you an idea about the eyes?


Most contracts will specify that you can return the dog to the breeder if there are any health problems. I'd ask the breeder what their policy is.
 

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What type of contract did you sign when you gave the breeder a down-payment? Are there photos of his Boxers online that would give you an idea about the eyes?


Most contracts will specify that you can return the dog to the breeder if there are any health problems. I'd ask the breeder what their policy is.
. I don't think it's a health issue, it's more or less hereditary. I posted the parents above in another comment. They both have dark eyes so I don't think the droopyness will cause any redness to show.
 

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