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I am seriously looking into this breeder she really seems to have it together. I was wanting to know if anyone had dealt with them her name is Jeannie McElroy. She is also a strong believer in the puppy aptitude testing any feelings with that? This is my first boxer I just want it to be healthy is my main concern. She is akc licensed an akc titling judge and does Healy testing anything else I should look for?
 

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health testing heart and hips especially also linage how far back does she have records? these would be the first thing I will be looking for in a breeder when I get my next boxer (hopefuly not for a long time though ) yes I want a puppy but 3 is all I can handle right now and I dont want to lose any of them any time soon
 

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welcome, sounds like you are doing your research - good for you...you can also look at the Breeder Forum. This will advise what to look for in a breeder...heath testing: heart, hips, thyroid etc I have heard about the puppy aptitude test although I haven't known anyone to have this done with their potential puppy - it is where they try to match puppy's personality to the personality of new owners which I think is a cool concept. I am sure others here will chime in with their thoughts and ideas - good luck
 

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They have pedigrees that go back 5 or 6 generations and multiple Int champions and ati box champs. They are mainly from old German linage. I'm hoping for this one to have a long healthy life I recently put down my 4 and a half year old boy basset due to lymphoma and it was horrible. I guess the weirdest thing for me about the aptitude testing is the breeder picking my dog for me but I imagine she knows better than me
 

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I don't know much about her except that they have a LOT of litters each year and I seen their ads on classified sites (red flag). Personally, a kennel that produces that many litters each year raises red flags. Another red flag I see is that they breed from within their kennel on a regular basis. Meaning they pair their own dogs together for mating. Most reputable breeders don't do that very often, if at all.

Right now the big trend is to import dogs from kennels over seas and then breed, breed, breed.. All to make money. I'd be seriously looking at what the breeder is doing besides just breeding. Are they working and titling their dogs, are they showing in conformation on a regular basis, are they doing ALL they health tests recommened before breeding?? WHY do they breed? To supply a demand of puppies for pet homes or mainly for themselves and other performance homes? I would never support a breeder who breeds to supply a demand for pet homes. Do they know the longevity, reasons for death in past generations, health clearance info all in depth? Do they repeat holters yearly? Hips x-rayed? Thyroid tests normal? Echo normal? Not only ask if these things have been done, but ask for PROOF. Also.. how many litters has the dam had and how often is she bred?

I cannot say if they are a good breeder or not. I've never dealth with them nor known anyone that has. Just do your research and go from there :)

Good luck with your puppy search.
 

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Big Mac Boxers

Only one experience with her. I emailed her and told her I wanted the last available pup. She said fine. I ask her if she could hold it for a couple of weeks due to a trip we had planned and she said no problem. After that, no communications from her at all. I called and emailed. Nothing!!! She kept putting me off. Next thing I knew, she had sold it to someone else. I feel she was waiting for the other couple's check to clear. Just be careful.
 

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I hope I have luck with I hear, I checked the OFA website and her dogs were listed there to be checked in hips, heart, and thyroid. hopefully its a good experience my only worry is I put a depositin very early and she has 3 litters due in september, when I asked where I was on the list her response was she is pretty sure there will be a puppy that will fit my families needs out of one of the litterws, I tell her the traits Im looking for and she does PAT and picks one for us, so we will see, I will give a full review after my expereince, so i am staying optimistic for now
 

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I hope I have luck with I hear, I checked the OFA website and her dogs were listed there to be checked in hips, heart, and thyroid. hopefully its a good experience my only worry is I put a depositin very early and she has 3 litters due in september, when I asked where I was on the list her response was she is pretty sure there will be a puppy that will fit my families needs out of one of the litterws, I tell her the traits Im looking for and she does PAT and picks one for us, so we will see, I will give a full review after my expereince, so i am staying optimistic for now
If you have ANY worries at all when dealing with a breeder, I personally feel it's best to move on. Trust your gut instinct. If something is causing you concern, it's best to keep looking.

When I was looking for Logan I contacted several breeders. A few of them didn't meet my criteria. There was one that met everything I was looking for, but she seemed to be very stuck up. I just didn't find talking with her to be very pleasant so I kept searching. Not long after, I found Logan's breeder. She was great! She was very nice to deal with and she met my criteria.

My point is, it's very important that you feel 100% comfortable with the puppy you're getting and with the breeder you're dealing with. If there are any red flags for you, it's really best to move on.
 

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If you have ANY worries at all when dealing with a breeder, I personally feel it's best to move on. Trust your gut instinct. If something is causing you concern, it's best to keep looking.

When I was looking for Logan I contacted several breeders. A few of them didn't meet my criteria. There was one that met everything I was looking for, but she seemed to be very stuck up. I just didn't find talking with her to be very pleasant so I kept searching. Not long after, I found Logan's breeder. She was great! She was very nice to deal with and she met my criteria.

My point is, it's very important that you feel 100% comfortable with the puppy you're getting and with the breeder you're dealing with. If there are any red flags for you, it's really best to move on.
100% agree
 

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A few grey areas here.

Some general observations that would be helpful for anyone evaluating a breeder:

As far as PAT goes, lots of breeders do it, but many of those who have actually followed their puppies into adulthood find it's often not really a reliable indicator of adult temperament. It may lend some information about trainability, although I'm starting to like the PAWS assessment better for that purpose.

"Euro" breeders in general should be looked at closely, because "Euro" is a growing fad and many breeders are using the term to justify charging high prices for their puppies. (Pricing based on "percent Euro blood" is a huge giveaway.) Most responsible breeders don't use the term "Euro" -- they aren't marketing their dogs based on geography in the first place, and they recognize that "Europe" includes such countries as England, Scotland, Ireland, etc. The term "Continental" more accurately refers to dogs from Continental Europe, but most responsible breeders -- if the need arises when discussing their puppies or the parents -- simply use the country from where the "foreign" dog came.

I'm also naturally wary of breeders who promote "working dogs" but don't actually work their own dogs. How can they possibly know if the puppies would make good working prospects? (Same goes for "show puppies", for that matter, if the breeder doesn't show.)

Specifically about this breeder, some areas to explore further. (It could be they don't have the information posted, but it's certainly something about which I'd ask.)

I don't see anything about holter monitoring; IMO this is the most important health testing in Boxers, since the condition for which it screens (ARVC) can result in dogs dropping dead at 2-3 years of age. ARVC is found in Boxers in every country in the world; it is more common in some areas than others, but no countries or lines are free of the disease.

The number of litters is a concern -- some people are able to manage a litter every month or two (or three or four litters at a time), but some aren't and cut corners, which can lead to bad conditions for the puppies.

And just to clarify, the breeder is not AKC licensed -- the AKC does not license breeders -- and she is not an AKC judge. She is a CGC Evaluator, meaning she can pass or fail a dog taking the Canine Good Citizen test.
 
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They have some nice specimens and it looks like they health test and sell large euro style boxers. I was browsing there page years ago before I got Nemo but didnt want to get my boxer shipped I was worried what type of mess there would be in the crate from the plane ride.
 

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Personally i think they breed way too much, did you notice how many females they have, i'd rather purchase a puppy from somebody who breeds for quality not quantity, if your dogs are good there is no reason to have that many litters on the ground other than to make money selling puppies, I didn't see anything about holter monitoring either... i would keep looking for another breeder.
 

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White Pine Boxers is about the best in KY I could find. But they don't list their health testings and I don't remember exactly what they told me about it when I was talking to them years ago, so you would have to message them about that. But they're worth checking into. They do have a LOT of dogs though, but they seem to be very well equipped for them.
 

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Hi --- I post from personal experience only:

I own TWO beautiful, healthy, amazing Boxers from BigMac Boxers. My dogs (one male/one female) are nearly three & five yrs. of age respectively. These Boxers I own are the old-fashioned style (my phrasing here...explanation will follow) looking much more like the Boxers that were first imported into the US decades ago & appear much more like the Boxers that are bred in Germany/Italy as working dogs - NOT like the taller/more elegant/leggier/finer boned/longer muzzle Boxers you typically see in the states.

As far as temperament from BigMac? Their temperament matches their body type: courageous/more dominant/VERY "drivey"/NATURALLY (seriously) obedient: her dogs are exceptionally tractable and always seek to please/easy to train. And just to make it clear - although these are the type of Boxers that you can easily & effectively become involved in Schutzhund or French Ring or even personal protection training with - they are NOT aggressive and are FABULOUS with little kids. They are, simply, - because of their European or more perhaps properly put Continental lineage - a working lined Boxer - one meant to have a job: search & rescue/Schutzhund/etc...
Will they EVER win in the show ring in the US? Probably not; although I do believe she has shown specimens from her American lines - but these are stocky, beefy, larger-boned dogs built to work. Does Jeannie work her dogs? I cannot say for certain, honestly BUT my dogs' pedigrees are LOADED with working dog titles including Schutzhund Three titles - simply because they come from import backgrounds. Hence their offspring CAN be worked & are ready/willing & able to be worked at the drop of a hat.

I could not be MORE happy with my dogs from BigMac. I also own a Boxer from a breeder here in the US - and although I love him, he is hyper/slightly neurotic/has zero protection/guard ability/ and is the lanky leggy style the show ring greatly seems to prefer in this country albeit not so in, for example, Germany.

In conclusion - I have ZERO ties to BigMac kennels other than owning two of their dogs. I live in Vermont far far from Kentucky & have never personally met Jeannie. Do they breed too frequently? I'd say "yes" - Do they make a profit from the breeding? I'd again say "yes" - but are they a puppy mill in the sense of keeping breeders in horrific conditions or not administering vet care or not completing health testing on their breeding stock or not socializing or caring for their dogs & pups? Absolutely not. Here's the thing: They produce GREAT dogs, (if you are seeking a working type dog not one for the show ring necessarily) in turn they know that millions of people are looking to add a Boxer to their family in the US, (after all, they are unfortunately a breed in the top 10 in so far as popularity) and so I assume their theory might be: If we health test our stock & keep them healthy & loved & see a vet regularly - why NOT profit from a breeding program? Am I condoning this? NO. But welcome to the USA - land of capitalism wherein so MANY breeders of every breed known are engaged in the same thing whether they deny it or not.

So all in all: I could not be ANY happier than I am with my BigMac Boxer dogs. They are healthy (been halter monitor tested by my veterinary cardiologist) & sires & dams were both OFA clear w/ either excellent or good ratings. So there are likely pros & cons but overall? If my experience is any indicator, I believe you will be thrilled with one of their European or Continental or imported lineage pups.

If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me & I'll assist in any way I can. Good Luck.
 

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More on Big Mac:

I hadn't been on Jeannie's site for approximately two years - but if you click on the individual dogs (both male & female) you will see that these dogs' HAVE BEEN health tested & have documentable clearances as I recalled - she routinely does heart, hips & eyes. *** Also, it appears from her site that she is showing much more than I thought & recites shows & titles accordingly. Also, she does work a number of those breeding dogs & lists the titles as well. Just thought I'd go back on as I hadn't been for a while.

Look, I know that there are excellent breeders that post regularly on this site and are more than obviously reputable & have great concern for the breed. But I think also that there are decent breeders out there too who - as standards go - own a lot of dogs and breed more than is probably recommended HOWEVER that does NOT necessarily mean that those dogs are not loved, well cared for or socialized; it CAN mean such, but again, I can tell you from personal experience, my BigMac Boxers are the best & are healthy & are intelligent & are beautiful; getting complimented constantly every time I just take them out & about anywhere.

I guess everyone has a different focus or a different perspective on breeding, but I think there's room for everyone ---- as long as they are committed to breeding HEALTHY dogs via health-cleared stock & the pups are well socialized - and I can attest to the fact that this breeder does just that.
 

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As a personal friend of the McElroy's, I must say she does not overbreed. I know from experience working with her litters that her females are bred two to three times then are fixed and mostly sold to other people. Does she breed multiple females at the same time, yes. Is she a puppy mill, NO! She has some of the best care for her puppies and all of her females wait a year before being bred again. She loves these dogs just like they are her children. One of the reasons they are so good with children and other dogs is because of the way she cares for them. They are constantly around her children and other dogs and she will get rid of a dog that tries to fight or otherwise harm another dog immediately.

Her males have been replaced, especially a lot in the last few years. To help prevent inbred puppies, no same male and female in the same lineage are bred to each other.

Yes she does make a lot of money off this but she does it because it's her passion. I've known her since her first boxer Mac was alive, he was an absolutely wonderful dog and we were all heart broken when we passed. Every dog Jeannie breeds is not only in memory of Mac, but is not to her standards if it is not just like Mac in every way. Her passion did start with showing the dogs and has since moved to breeding but her love for her dogs and the breed itself has only grown.

Her dogs can be a little hyper, but only if they are from the first litter from an import directly from Germany. She has had a lot of problems with those dogs in the past and that's the reason she has gotten rid of many of them.

I've seen many breeders and showers since knowing Jeannie, and I have to say she takes the best care of these dogs. Their kennel is just as nice as their house and if they aren't in the kennel, they are in the house. Half of their basement is for birthing, she has a dog wash in her kennel and won't wash her dogs without hot water. If it's cold outside, they are inside, if they need a bath, they get it in her house and stay in her house.

She can be hard to get a hold of but don't doubt that she's an amazing breeder. She not only is a great breeder but a great care taker to these dogs. She does make a lot of money off of this, and that's mainly why she doesn't hold dogs for long. She can sometimes have a very long waiting list, which have included celebrities, Sandra Bullock visited her kennel around six years looking for a dog for Jesse James. If you tell her you want a puppy and she has one left, she won't wait on you because someone else will approach her ready for that dog now.

She's only had maybe one puppy die within a year, her dog Mac was 12 or so when he died and that's what their lifespan usually is. She has a warranty on all of her dogs, and she means it, it's a professionally drawn out contract.

She's an amazing breeder there's no doubt, but yes she does breed a lot.
 

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MKKH,

I'm not certain that a "personal friend" of Jeannie is the most "unbiased" critique of anyone's breeding program, but as I posted prior to your post in great detail - I have two Boxers of hers & could not be happier and I am NOT a personal friend of hers at all.

In addition, Boxers imported from Germany should not be characterized as "hyper" but rather true working dogs with the requisite degree of energy & stamina & drive to work for hours on end without tiring. If Americans simply like the "look" of a Boxer but do not appreciate what they were bred to do and why they require a job to do and how their temperament reflects, as it should, upon those traits --- they should not be purchasing this breed. I again presume that Ms. McElroy did not continue to utilize the Boxers in question you speak of for that reason, but rather a more justifiable reason that you are potentially not aware of. In fact, I believe Jeannie breeds specifically for working ability and DOES work her dogs.

Lastly, I don't think it's a wise choice of words to state that Jeannie "got rid of" dogs within her breeding program. And in fact I'm certainly hoping that that is NOT what Jeannie in fact did. Should any breeder decide any specimen is not appropriate for their program/lines, the dog requires being re-homed after a thorough screening process in which perspective adopters have their veterinary references/personal refences carefully checked and ideally a home visit made and a detailed contract drawn out. "Getting rid of" dogs is not anthing a responsible breeder or dog owner should ever be contemplating never the less actually doing. And again, I would hope that Jeannie M. herself would find fault with & wish to correct such an inference. In addition, celebrity endorsements would be the last reason for attaining a dog from a particular breeder that I can think of - it holds absolutely no water to me unless Ms. Sandra Bullock has become an expert in the Boxer breed since last I heard.

Perhaps at this point it would be best tohave this breeder herself speak to these issues on the forum herself. That being all said, I again maintain I have two Boxers from this breeder and they are healthy, gorgeous, athletic, naturally obedient (as the old time German Sheperds were once referred to as) protective, fantastic with kids, large boned, & much more Germanic in appearance than the American lines tend to be - i.e.: much more like Stockman's dogs & early imports to the U.S.
 

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I am seriously looking into this breeder she really seems to have it together. I was wanting to know if anyone had dealt with them her name is Jeannie McElroy. She is also a strong believer in the puppy aptitude testing any feelings with that? This is my first boxer I just want it to be healthy is my main concern. She is akc licensed an akc titling judge and does Healy testing anything else I should look for?
 

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I purchased a puppy from her and was sent pictures of a puppy and when the pup was delivered it was a different pup. I contacted her and she said it was the pup in the pictures I even sent pictures of the pup to her answer was pretty much take it and you find way to get it back I’m in California and she is in Kentucky. I have bred boxers on and off for 25 years just my personal pets and not stupid. She tried to tell me that markings disappear as thy get older.
 
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