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I am not sure where to put this but I am going to start here. I was given a three year old Boxer, eight years ago. This dog turned out to be an amazing dog and the most loving and caring dog I have ever had the privilage of being with. I want to share what I have learned in case it will help someone else. On my first vet visit the vet she said she loved Boxers but due to their health problems she could not have another. Disconcerting but I didn't care this was a loving dog and I was going to do my best for him. When my dog got a little older the mast cell tumors started and we had many removed until a vet at a higher level of care told us there was an alternative to removing low grade mast cell tumors. Really !! Here is what is done. They inject the tumor with a steroid and believe me it works, if it does comes back again which most don't they inject it again. . I am getting ahead of myself we also learned Benadryl at a dosage of 6 pills per day three in the morning and three at night for a 100 lb dog reduced the number of mast cell tumors our dog had to the point of no more mast cells as compared to many over the years. .Why didn't anyone tell me about this before ? Then comes the joint problems with TPLO surgery being the suggested solution. My dog had the first leg done and it was an amazing success he felt great. Don't get me wrong there was a huge recovery time, Physical Threrapy and a lot of lifting a 100 lb Boxer. A few years later he had a second one done. These were both done by the same teaching hospital with an excellent reputation and I believe both were a success. Problem is after the second one my dog was never really right again his leg was getting stiffer pain meds were continued but things never got better. After some long visits to the same teaching hospital my boy was diagnosed with DM. He only lasted a few months after the dagnosis. My dog also developed Afib and we went throught the holter monitor sessions etc. The meds for this were expensive but GoodRx saved me a fortune the cost was suppose to be $325.00 for a month supply it ended up costing me $25.00 for the smae perscripotion through GoodRx. I need to tell you this dog cost me 10's of thouands of dollars over his lifetime in medical bills. I have left out many of the details and most of the emotion but I need to say.. I lost my best friend to DM and there was nothing I could do about it. When I got the diagnosis I tought we would have more time we didn't, If the things I learned help one person writing this will be worth it. Good luck with your Boxer.
 

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I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost 2 boxers to DM and it was just awful. It's a huge relief to know that my current girl was tested and will not develop that terrible disease. I definitely wouldn't ever get a boxer again without proof of testing to rule out genetic diseases like DM.

I have heard of steroids and Benadryl for tumors - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I'm glad it was helpful for your boy. So sorry again for your loss.
 

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As stated testing for DM is a relatively cheap test and it’s a shame so many dogs out there will develope this awful disease. I’m sorry your dog got DM though and for all the expense of Vet bills I have been thru some horrific bills only to lose my dog anyway. I know these kinds of thing dont just happen in Boxers they are not the only dogs for sure because in all the time I spent at the Vets over the years I have seen plenty. I have also seen surgeries recommended that were Ineffectual and sometimes harmful. I am now very careful about my choices where the dogs are concerned and consider each thing carefully where medical procedures are concerned for them and for myself.
 

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As stated testing for DM is a relatively cheap test and it’s a shame so many dogs out there will develope this awful disease. I’m sorry your dog got DM though and for all the expense of Vet bills I have been thru some horrific bills only to lose my dog anyway. I know these kinds of thing dont just happen in Boxers they are not the only dogs for sure because in all the time I spent at the Vets over the years I have seen plenty. I have also seen surgeries recommended that were Ineffectual and sometimes harmful. I am now very careful about my choices where the dogs are concerned and consider each thing carefully where medical procedures are concerned for them and for myself.
Speaking of unnecessary. I forgot to mention my local vet was concerned about my dogs liver enzymes and put him on a supportive med when that had no affect she wanted to do an Ultrasound so I took him to the Vet school and they said that his emzymes were not high enough to be concerned about and no treatment other than monitoring was necessary.
I had never heard of DM before this hip dysplasia yes because of the springer problems with it. I never owned one but at least I had heard of the issue, The Vet school did not test for DM until after problems surfaced with walking the local vet just prescribed Gabapentin which is not what you want for dogs with DM because it makes things worse.
As far as breed vs illness I have had other dog breeds one standard poodle and 4 springers none of these even approached the problems with my boxer so from where I sit there were significantly more problems with my boxer who was the shortest lived by many years. What I will never forget is the difference in empathy this boxer was capable of. and what a total clown he could be.
 

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To me there just no other breed of dog that compares to my Boxers they have shown me the highest degree of loyalty and empathy I have ever experienced from any dog I have owned a poodle once as a child and trained two GSD dogs in obedience and Search and Rescue. While the shepherds were far more easier to train and I had a bond with each of them none of it comes close to my Boxers their sensitivity to my moods and a soul deep understanding of me is unequivocal I can’t imagine my life without one in my house. My first Boxer sold me on the breed and she never had one big issue medically not one and she lived to be 13. I think with the advance of Veterinary medicine it’s become commonplace to over treat dogs and do unneeded tests costing owners thousands of dollars its easy to get sucked under. I think not all Vets are qualified to administer or evaluate correctly some of the info they are charging for that’s why it is SO important to find a good Vet and have a relationship with them you can trust who knows you and your dog. I ask a lot of questions before I agree to procedures for my dogs or myself! The knee surgery thing has been pushed really hard, and some dogs really do need that surgery for sure but in my opinion and it’s just my opinion and experience most of those heal with time and rest. One of my dogs was getting repeated pancreatitis and I scheduled her to see a Veterinary gastrointestinal specialist for a full abdominal ultra sound that was 1500 because I was again given the cancer lecture so when that turned out normal they wanted to do a 2000 procedure to go in and take samples of her intestines I said no they were very angry but in the long run it was a food allergy and once I addressed that she was fine. Some costs are totally unavoidable but I follow my best instincts at all times, one of my dogs cost me in the thousands I loved her dearly, would I regret saving her life and giving her the best I could the answer is NO she will live on in my heart as a cherished friend and one I’ll never forget. People have a strange way of resenting spending money on thier dogs but happily plop down thousands of dollars on cell phones and computers designer shoes and clothes but somehow the dog sits somewhere in the “less than” category I will never ever understand this kind of thinking ever.
 

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I am not sure where to put this but I am going to start here. I was given a three year old Boxer, eight years ago. This dog turned out to be an amazing dog and the most loving and caring dog I have ever had the privilage of being with. I want to share what I have learned in case it will help someone else. On my first vet visit the vet she said she loved Boxers but due to their health problems she could not have another. Disconcerting but I didn't care this was a loving dog and I was going to do my best for him. When my dog got a little older the mast cell tumors started and we had many removed until a vet at a higher level of care told us there was an alternative to removing low grade mast cell tumors. Really !! Here is what is done. They inject the tumor with a steroid and believe me it works, if it does comes back again which most don't they inject it again. . I am getting ahead of myself we also learned Benadryl at a dosage of 6 pills per day three in the morning and three at night for a 100 lb dog reduced the number of mast cell tumors our dog had to the point of no more mast cells as compared to many over the years. .Why didn't anyone tell me about this before ? Then comes the joint problems with TPLO surgery being the suggested solution. My dog had the first leg done and it was an amazing success he felt great. Don't get me wrong there was a huge recovery time, Physical Threrapy and a lot of lifting a 100 lb Boxer. A few years later he had a second one done. These were both done by the same teaching hospital with an excellent reputation and I believe both were a success. Problem is after the second one my dog was never really right again his leg was getting stiffer pain meds were continued but things never got better. After some long visits to the same teaching hospital my boy was diagnosed with DM. He only lasted a few months after the dagnosis. My dog also developed Afib and we went through the holter monitor sessions etc. The meds for this were expensive but GoodRx saved me a fortune the cost was suppose to be $325.00 for a month supply it ended up costing me $25.00 for the same prescription through GoodRx. I need to tell you this dog cost me 10's of thouands of dollars over his lifetime in medical bills. I have left out many of the details and most of the emotion but I need to say.. I lost my best friend to DM and there was nothing I could do about it. When I got the diagnosis I thought we would have more time we didn't, If the things I learned help one person writing this will be worth it. Good luck with your Boxer.
First I want to say "Sorry for your loss." I lost my "Struddell," to DM in 2013 (it struck her down at 8 years and with 24/7 care ... she just made it to the ten year mark. But much like you ... I had no idea what DM was at the time? But she did not have Cancer also? DM alone is a "Death Sentence," but to add "Cancer on top of it, that's a really bad hand! I luv, Boxer's, but I also call them the "Heartbreak Breed." Many members find themselves here following a trail of tears. So you are not alone.

And while Boxer have a lot of great attributes, for ths most part ... "longevity," is not commonly one of them? Now of course there are always exceptions but that is not there strong suite? Least way's not in American .... which is yet again another topic (Euro Boxer's??) :)

Back on point, in the Medical Community, "Boxer's are know as, "Cancer in Box?" Unless something has changed lately? Boxers are number one in Cancer. My Vet said that to me when I first took my Struddell in for shot's and a check up. Then he turned beat red ... when he realized what he'd said. I just said hey no problem, I already know. And then you have "Heart Issues," and of course DM, my Stru beat two out of three ... so there is that.

So that is why she said what she said. And it can just break your heart ... if it happens? Your best protection is a "New Puppy," from a reputable breeder. But if your getting a "Rescue," the die has already been cast? Do you let a great dog go because he "might," "Pass, Away," from X?? I would not but hey, that's me.

But hey at least with health acceptation, I could and would recommend a "Boxer," to people I know even with kids. My next favorite "Working Line Dog," the GSD (Germanshepard Dog) is a hard freaking NO! To anyone I know?

I don't know what they were like during the "Rin Tin Tin," year's ie before the 2000's? But they are not the same dog's? BYB or High End dog's, unless you have your "Crap Together?" It is best to stay clear ... They are great dog's but "I" don't recommend them to anyone I know. But that is another story. Welcome Aboard in anycase and sorry for how you got here but sadly it is not uncommon. :(
 

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Boxers are like the potato chip in the commercial - you can't have just one! Remember? I've had four and they are truly special and very humanlike that it is so easy to have discussions. Like the rest of you, I've been through the "ringer" with the various health problems of the breed including their relatively short lives. Yet, they do pack a lot of punch, fun, excitement, joy, and lessons in the few years they are with us! I lost my 9-year-old boy two months ago to DM. It wasn't diagnosed, but the breeder called to let me know that his siblings were experiencing various stages of the disease. Hobart had begun dragging his right hind leg, needing shoes for protection. He started to lose strength in his left hind leg and needed a special harness so that I could give him a lift. He required 24/7 care in the last few weeks of his time with us. Here's the deal. He was a trooper - never complained and put forth his best efforts through it all. I thanked him for the privilege of having him in my life and taking care of him during his illness, which from when I first noticed his foot dragging to his passing, was about 6 months. I have a very special girl now who is not a boxer. She is 9, and I'll be there for her when her time comes. Presently 70 myself, I think that'll do it for me, but I said that the last time, and the last time, and the time before that! With Aloha!
 

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Boxers are like the potato chip in the commercial - you can't have just one! Remember? I've had four and they are truly special and very humanlike that it is so easy to have discussions. Like the rest of you, I've been through the "ringer" with the various health problems of the breed including their relatively short lives. Yet, they do pack a lot of punch, fun, excitement, joy, and lessons in the few years they are with us! I lost my 9-year-old boy two months ago to DM. It wasn't diagnosed, but the breeder called to let me know that his siblings were experiencing various stages of the disease. Hobart had begun dragging his right hind leg, needing shoes for protection. He started to lose strength in his left hind leg and needed a special harness so that I could give him a lift. He required 24/7 care in the last few weeks of his time with us. Here's the deal. He was a trooper - never complained and put forth his best efforts through it all. I thanked him for the privilege of having him in my life and taking care of him during his illness, which from when I first noticed his foot dragging to his passing, was about 6 months. I have a very special girl now who is not a boxer. She is 9, and I'll be there for her when her time comes. Presently 70 myself, I think that'll do it for me, but I said that the last time, and the last time, and the time before that! With Aloha!
Oh man yet again. Once again "Sorry for your Loss.:)

And yet again, the rear right foot? If your dog is walking on a hard surface? You will hear a "Clicking Sound," as the nail's drag the surface. They can't flip there foot over to walk on the paw ... that is how it starts. It goes downhill from there ....

Other breed's are affected by it also. But sigh American Line Boxer's are the worst! 70 percent of all "Breeding Pairs," are DM Carrier's? DM positive to DM positive, is a dog that will most likely develop DM. The best choice is two DM Clear Parent's and Good Luck finding that!

Except I have to note on here ... "KACO BOXER'S," on here Breed's DM clear parent's on both sides.

And that is the ticket. Next best is one DM carrier and One DM clear parent. The pup's can't develop DM because both genes aren't present! So if your getting an "American Line Boxer," (I think KACO's are Euro American?" That is what you would look for. But basically most new Boxer's owner's have no idea what a Euro/Germany Boxer is? And have no idea what DM is or what a BYB is?

The test for DM is pretty inexpensive, so BYB's could do at least that? And if they did ... this crap would stop! But they don't know or don't care? And the people getting puppies, usually have no idea, DM is a thing?

Dog's are already born, that will develop this disease and some are in homes and some are in rescue now. Unless "people/breeders/BYB's," get a clue it will continue to happen! It is easy enough to stop ... if people cared? And Health Guaranty does not mean "Crap!" If both parent's are DM Carriers? DM won't show up for usually 6 to 7 year's? So yeah ...

But it does effect other Breed's so case in point.https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=678237-dm-clear-vs-carrier

Well I was not gonna go there sigh. But I did so yeah, But moving on you said you had another dog and (she) is now nine year's old? What what is she? Yeah we are a "Boxer Board," but lot's of us have and luv other "Breed's? I luv'd to have a "Bassett Hound," or a little dog a "Pom-Chi!?" I got to work with one and she was awesume and uh "ridiculous cute!" So what you got? :)
 

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My 9 year old girl is a mix of Amstaff Terrier, some kind of Mastiff, and bulldog (according to DNA test). She and her siblings were left in a cardboard box at a beach park. The Humane Society mistook her her for a "boxer mix". Long story about her journey to our home, but happy she made it. Surprisingly, she has allergies that can be troublesome. We all thought that, being a mixed breed, she wouldn't. She's a free spirit - mischievous with a wild side, but sweet nonetheless. Be well!
 

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She has bulldog in her so that’s where the allergies come from! I don’t understand why people say mixed breed dogs are healthier they inherit genes from whatever they are mixed with then you have multiple possibilities of illnesses developing from each contributing breed! I know some people with those designer mixed breed dogs who are now saddled with horrific Vet bills not to mention the already high cost people are paying for these unregisterable dogs. I think it’s wonderful you rescued this poor dog to be abandoned that way is unconsionable at least you have given her a good life. Sorry about the hell you must have gone thru with DM I just can’t imagine having to go thru that. I have seen multiple breeds of dogs now with DM an acquaintance of mine just lost their Corgie to it and a very good friend lost her GSD to it
 

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My 9 year old girl is a mix of Amstaff Terrier, some kind of Mastiff, and bulldog (according to DNA test). She and her siblings were left in a cardboard box at a beach park. The Humane Society mistook her her for a "boxer mix". Long story about her journey to our home, but happy she made it. Surprisingly, she has allergies that can be troublesome. We all thought that, being a mixed breed, she wouldn't. She's a free spirit - mischievous with a wild side, but sweet nonetheless. Be well!
Oh cool! Pictures please if you can? So not a Boxer/Pit. But that is not unusual, rescue people are not dog expert's as a general rule? They are staffed by people that Luv dogs. And if a dog has a large-ish head and is White or Brindle and Luv's People and is kinda goofy? It must be a Boxer/Mix? That is the test?

My current girl is a Boxer/Pit and a side note ( a Pit Bull, is not a Breed) it is a type of dog (but that is another story.) Our friends who have a Beautiful Euro/American Boxer, told us they knew of someone looking to rehome a Boxer. Sigh ... I wanted another "White Female Boxer," like my Struddell.

Sigh ... she was clearly not a Boxer? But she was a dog in need (three homes in a year) and she spent eight to 12 hours a dog in a Crate. The current owners did not have time for her. Not what I wanted but my wife fell in luv with her ... so I had no choice.

But "Boxer," thing ... a female Boxer/Pit meant I was not going to be add my next "White Female Boxer." I was not going there so I'd have to get a Boy, that ticked me off ...

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Anyway your girl ... let's see a Amstaff/Mastiff/Bulldog, that is not just some random combo? That's a Band Dogge ie any combo of dog's tied to the "Mastiff Breed." That is not an accident it is a thing! And the ideal "Band Dogge," is a combo of a "Working Neapolitan Mastiff and an APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) and sigh ... going on from there ... the Staffordshire Terrier and the (APBT) are the same dog. They have dual registerier in Canada.

But don't tell someone that says there dog in an AmStaff, that there dog is a APBT? It will not be well met! And most likely the guy that dumped those puppies, was on the run from the law? Most likely he is either Dead or in Jail? I don't know?

But my first Dog was a Band Dogge, he was 25% Lab/25% Masstiff and 50% APBT, he Luv'd people but did have some other issues? Big surprise? He got better with work and he turned out to be outstanding with puppies! He was a great dog. I lost him in 2010. :(

Anyway your girl a couple links.

You'd start here and mix and match.

And variations on theme are here.

People do stuff. And mostly because they want to produce/replace the Working Line GSD or the Mal as the perfect Working Dog? Sigh it does not work? Malinois is number one, Working Line GSD is number two and the Boxer can come in at number three with a lot of work and effort.

And if you have a dog that "Sharp?" And you don't want to get sueded because he "Bite's your neighbor uh just because ... get a "Boxer," and you know just deal with silly. :)
 

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Oh cool! Pictures please if you can? So not a Boxer/Pit. But that is not unusual, rescue people are not dog expert's as a general rule? They are staffed by people that Luv dogs. And if a dog has a large-ish head and is White or Brindle and Luv's People and is kinda goofy? It must be a Boxer/Mix? That is the test?

My current girl is a Boxer/Pit and a side note ( a Pit Bull, is not a Breed) it is a type of dog (but that is another story.) Our friends who have a Beautiful Euro/American Boxer, told us they knew of someone looking to rehome a Boxer. Sigh ... I wanted another "White Female Boxer," like my Struddell.

Sigh ... she was clearly not a Boxer? But she was a dog in need (three homes in a year) and she spent eight to 12 hours a dog in a Crate. The current owners did not have time for her. Not what I wanted but my wife fell in luv with her ... so I had no choice.

But "Boxer," thing ... a female Boxer/Pit meant I was not going to be add my next "White Female Boxer." I was not going there so I'd have to get a Boy, that ticked me off ...

Anyway this is Bella.
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Anyway your girl ... let's see a Amstaff/Mastiff/Bulldog, that is not just some random combo? That's a Band Dogge ie any combo of dog's tied to the "Mastiff Breed." That is not an accident it is a thing! And the ideal "Band Dogge," is a combo of a "Working Neapolitan Mastiff and an APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) and sigh ... going on from there ... the Staffordshire Terrier and the (APBT) are the same dog. They have dual registerier in Canada.

But don't tell someone that says there dog in an AmStaff, that there dog is a APBT? It will not be well met! And most likely the guy that dumped those puppies, was on the run from the law? Most likely he is either Dead or in Jail? I don't know?

But my first Dog was a Band Dogge, he was 25% Lab/25% Masstiff and 50% APBT, he Luv'd people but did have some other issues? Big surprise? He got better with work and he turned out to be outstanding with puppies! He was a great dog. I lost him in 2010. :(

Anyway your girl a couple links.

You'd start here and mix and match.

And variations on theme are here.

People do stuff. And mostly because they want to produce/replace the Working Line GSD or the Mal as the perfect Working Dog? Sigh it does not work? Malinois is number one, Working Line GSD is number two and the Boxer can come in at number three with a lot of work and effort.

And if you have a dog that "Sharp?" And you don't want to get sueded because he "Bite's your neighbor uh just because ... get a "Boxer," and you know just deal with silly. :)
Apparently I was not successful posting pics - sorry about that. Technology!
 

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Apparently I was not successful posting pics - sorry about that. Technology!
Oh that's ok. Cuz I am not that good at explaining? But I will try, you have to save the pic you want to you computer. I am a windows guy so I have no idea on an Apple if that is what you use?
And in the text box where you reply. There should be a bunch of stuff. Count over form the left to the right ... 11 to insert image. Click on that and it should up a box where you saved your pic's? Click on that and it should say uh stuff? Either save and then insert imagine? Something like that? Sorry I am not really sure? :(

The thing is she is clearly not a "PB, Boxer?" But sigh for folks that uh don't really know much but have had "Boxer's," at some point? Her personality and her color ... will outweigh everything else?

Sigh ... Bella met a 13 year old girl and Bella had her giggling and laughing. She said she grew up with Boxer's and Bella is a Boxer! Sigh what are you gonna say?

If the dog is Brindle or White and well ... act's like a Boxer (for the most part) it will be labeled as a Boxer. If the rescue has a "clue. they will say ... "Boxer Mix?" But even some/most Boxer/Rescues will label Boxer/Mixes as Boxer's?

Oh and Gunther I lost him in 2010 and I could not remember what he was mixed with ... Mastiff wise? But now I do, 25% percent Bull Mastiff! But he was a couple of generations removed? I saw his dad and mom. Mom looked like a Massive Yellow Lab? 50%Lab and 50% APBT? And dad was 50% Bull Mastiff and 50% APBT, dad was awesome looking!
Imagine a Red Nose APBT, same head, that stood waist high to you! That was dad, a magnificent looking dog! And he luv'd people! Mom not so much? 50% Apbt and 50% Lab and she was the biggest yellow Lab ... you have ever seen!

And she was pretty ticked off about people coming to look at her pup's! "Lab Rage," kinda thing ... many,many years ago. My GSD and I ran across a "Lab Rage, Lab Rage Dog?" It worked out fine and no dog or person got hurt! But that was due mostly to my GSD and my quick reflex's and a "Walking Stick Block!"

It's another story but yeah I kinda,look at "labs," a bit differently these days. Just saying your girl ... is not just a random combo of dog's? She was a plan, everybody "Dog People-ish," wants' to replace the Mal and the GSD as the top Working Line Dog? Or total A-Hole's, the best "Fighting Dog's!"

But she and her sibling's got lucky. That there original owner had to bail on them ... for whatever reason? Just saying she was not just a random combo of dog's. Ther was a "plan," behind her fortunately, I would say ... it did not work out. :)
 

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Here is Sadie (I hope). Interesting how behaviors differ by breed. She is very different from my boxers, but lovable nonetheless.
Yay, you got it done! Was my info any help at all? And I have to say ... I am a bit confused? That dog has a Boxer head? Unless you know what your doing? The Boxer/Pit's or Boxer/Staffie (same old, same old) is the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier the same dog? The Canadian Kennel Club say's yes. But tell an owner of a registered "Staffie," that his dog is a American Pit Bull Terrier and it will not be met well! I did that once, it did not go well ... so whatever. :)

But back on point the "Boxer Head," usually does not transfer? An english Bull Dog, which is what Boxer's were created with. Or a whole bunch of assorted Mastiffs could give the off spring that head? But they would usually be a much larger dog?

Many years I rescued a PB APBT, sweet dog I wanted to keep her cuz, you know I found her! But sigh my wife worked to hard to find her owner? ):

Sigh but she was cool. And they are kinda on the short side I think her shoulder came to my knee (I am 5 10.) But the part that surprise me was she was "Massive," and agile? She weighted about 70 lbs and would just bounce over the back of the sofa and to the front ... like it was nothing? But we found her owner a 15 year old kid and sent her home,.

I told the kid ... "if I see her loose again? I'm keeping her! Well that must have worked, cuz I never saw her loose on the street again. :)
 
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