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Ok, I have had 5 total boxers..3 were what I call "Flashy"..and one that was just "fawn"...and then I have Ashley..who..IMO falls somewhere in the middle. She has a blaze of white on her nose, a mostly full white chest and belly, but only white paws, not "socks". SO, my question is..( and no..it makes me love her no less..just wondering as I have seen many posts with descriptions of what people consider their dog to be called ), What makes a dog plain, classic, or flashy? And anyone have an opinion of what Ashley is?? I would call her "classic" as she does not have a white "collar"..and no white above the paw area...is this right in classification?
 

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you Know that is a great queston, becuase I really had no idea I had heard fawn or Flashy Fawn and Flash meant White. So I always thought my Brannon was a Flashy Fawn becuase he had white on him. However I read somewhere (here I think) that to be considered flashy they need to have Flash on the face and some thing else which made me decide that no he was not Flashy. However I do not know if he would be a Plain or Classic Fawn. I don not know the difference and look forward to reading other members; responses to this post.


ON a Side note I remember my husband say that Winston our white Boxer was not white he was Flash. Since Flash meant White. I just thought that was funny.  :lol:
 

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Tagging along on this one.  I have been looking for an in depth discussion on color varients and what classifies one from the other.  Good topic.
 

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Well I have no idea.  When we first got Henry we said "oh look, a  little red puppy".  Turns out "red" is not a color variant in the boxer breed. :roll:   He would be considered Mahogany Fawn.  Don't know about flash and all that stuff.  HannaBanana and Nano and Newcastle would be able to point us in the right direction! :wink:   But for us country folks, Henry's red! :wink:  :lol:
 

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Thanks for the great link tootsie.
 

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Thanks Tootsie..I guess Ashley is semi-Flashy..I thought this would be a good thing for people to know ( although I am still a bit unclear if the chest and face should contain white to be considered semi-flashy )..and any more post would be appreciated!
 

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Linda, I woud definitely say that Ashley is a semi flashy girl :)
 

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Autumn has very similar markings, and her breeder described her as a "plain fawn".  I sort of pictured plain being almost solid or completely solid, and to me Autumn is a little more flashy than that (although definetly not what someone would call a flashy fawn)...hope this helps? haha.

 

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well i know that gliacer is a white boxer she has no other markings except for the all over spots lol and deliah has 2 brown spots on her eyes does this make her a checkered boxer just wondering or would you consider her a white boxer too.
 

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I think Tyson is a flashy fawn...??
Kiah is considered fawn or some would call her semi-flashy since she doesn't have any around her neck, but does have a white chest, socks, and some white on her face.
 

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Genetically, there's only plain (some say classic), flashy, or white; there aren't "official" definitions for the varying degrees of white markings, so there is a wide range of meaning behind the various terms. :)

For breeders, trying to determine between a genetically plain and a lightly-marked genetically flashy dog, there are some guidelines - no white above the 'wrists', no more than a dusting or pencil strip of white on the face, and no white on the back of the neck or the dorsal surface (i.e., belly and throat only) mean the dog is genetically plain (99 times out of 100, anyway!).  The most common usage I've found for the other terms is: white socks (as opposed to stockings) on one or more legs, partial white on the muzzle and a pencil stripe between the eyes, and white on the back of the neck (but no white collar) - or any combination of these - is generally considered semi-flashy; white stockings, a 'wishbone' on the face, and a partial or full white collar (or, again, any combination) is considered "flashy".  As far as whites go, generally anything over 2/3 white is just called "white", while anything from 1/2 - 2/3 white is called "checked"; from 1/3 to 1/2  is called "overly flashy" or "piebald", depending on whom you're asking and the actual amount of white on the dog.  (We don't really see much of those in-between ones in the show lines; it's generally either 33-40% white, which would be overly flashy, or it's closer to 75%+ white, which is white.)

Ashley may be considered semi-flashy, or she may be considered plain - it depends on how much that white stripe on her face shrinks as she gets older, and how far up her front legs the white goes.
 

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Great description..and tons of help Jennifer! Thanks for the great information!
I wonder, in your experience, when is the last hope that she will retain the white on her face? I know at 6 months she no longer has her puppy hair..its quite a bit courser than at say 3 months. So I would like to know in your experience, when does the blaze on the muzzle stop shrinking? ( it really has not changed in the last 2 months in width..so I have my fingers crossed! ) Here is the odd thing too, as she has gotten older..on one side only, she has actually GAINED some white running down the muzzle next to the nostril area..which makes me think this color change does not end for a while yet.
Thanks again!
 

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The most significant change happens in the first few months; Emma has less white on her face now than she did at six months (even at 15 months) but not extremely so.  She lost mostly 'length' from then to now, though, as opposed to 'width' - so if Ashley has a stripe at this point, my very unscientific guess ;) is that she'll keep the stripe, but as she gets older (and her head matures) it won't go so far up on her forehead.  (Of course I could be totally wrong, I haven't actually followed the changes into adulthood, just that from puppy to adult the white shrinks. So Ashley can be a 'test of the hypothesis'. :) )
 
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