[chip18]

My Euro male is a hard head too!!!!!! I mean STUBBORN he has tested me for sure but we are getting somewhere now.

Well if it helps ... your doing better than me!!

But "Prey Recall" is extremely difficult!! If it does not work, one's dog can be gone in a flash!! :cry_baby:

I thought I had lost Struddell, once when the stupid rabbit ran South towards the Hwy and not North towards the Mountains??? I lost track of her in the brush and I could not see her??? And lost I saw she was heading towards the Hwy fast!! We were parked a mile away but at 30 some miles an hour ... the Hwy is pretty close!!!

I Called and called and saw and heard nothing!! And suddenly the desert looked vast and bleak! My heart sank, I headed back to the car to drive around and see if I could find her??? And ... much to my surprise and delight ... there she was!!! So par for the course, the rabbit did ditch her. *They always did( and after failing to pick up the scent ... she headed back to the car! I did not know she could do that???

But after that, I modded our rabbit chasing game! She still could her twenty to 25 yards out in front bit but I scanned ahead of her for bunnies! And if I saw break cover in front of her I would shout "NO!!" And she would freeze, if the Bunny broke North Mnts, I'd say OK and off she'd go!!

I never really had to worry at that point cause it was usually just 50 yard dash down a fire road, and she lose the rabbit in the brush when it made a right turn ... they always broke right?? She'd switch to scent hot on it's butt and lose track in the brush!

I would watch the rabbit come back onto the straight and sail off in the distance! And I'd watch the rabbit speed off in the distance. It happened every time and she never figured it out.

But ... I also took advantage of our terrain here. As in uh ... no trees! So good sight lines and the bunnies used the fire roads as that worked with most dog's!!

But really I did not call her off a chase as much as I did "Control" a chase. Most likely I could have done "either" verbally ... with her! But I don't know as I never had the need to do so. What we did worked just fine. But perhaps she was a once in a lifetime dog, hmm ... also.

Cuz with my Bella (off leash in open desert, let alone bunnie's???) ... don't even think about it!!! If you have to have absolute Rock Solid, recall?? You pretty much have to use an E-Collar?

It will be new for me, but I've done all I can with a SLL. A man has got to know his limitations.

 

[nenrtois]

Thanks guy's! Still working on uh ... lot's of stuff and discovering things?? And of course I once again carry my Walking Stick! And found an undiscovered use for it, to save my dog from herself??? Details to follow.

 

[chip18]

Thanks guy's! Still working on uh ... lot's of stuff and discovering things?? And of course I once again carry my Walking Stick! And found an undiscovered use for it, to save my dog from herself??? Details to follow.

Ok we will wait to see?? But yep I have done that also!! To keep Bella from going after a freaking Harley???

I had the long line on here and she was by side. But I was gathering up the slack when a Bike came by and she tried to bolt in the street??? The leash was useless at that point so I stabbed my stick in front of her!!!

And that stopped her cold!! So new dog and lesson learned! As I had never seen that crap before, with "my other dog's."

 

[Lindar51]

I think Bell just may be the dog that needs the e-collar. have you tried the yet? And when are you going to share her photo ? Been waiting. LOL I think I'd like a e collar for my poodle but the one I want is pricey and I don't really need it I want it. He has pretty good recall but not when he is distracted so that is something I still have to work on.

 

[chip18]

I think Bell just may be the dog that needs the e-collar. have you tried the yet? And when are you going to share her photo ? Been waiting. LOL I think I'd like a e collar for my poodle but the one I want is pricey and I don't really need it I want it. He has pretty good recall but not when he is distracted so that is something I still have to work on.

Yeah sigh, the difference between 7 months and a year is "apparently" much greater then I realizes???

And I have to say "Hybrid" that she is ... the one thing "Bella is showing is why "GSD" first owner's don't tend to have a lot of time or patience for "Boxers!" IE ... I don't have the time or patience for this kinda crap!!!

And Bella thus far seems to be determined to exhibit both the best and worst and best characteristic of both Breeds! As she does seem to luv people?? But she is just so over top the top obnoxious, ... I don't even try, to let her meet anyone!

Now we did have a very interesting day at the Dog Park today ... uh kinda. Dog's were there so we did not go in ... off course. There was a lady coming in with a Little Poodle, and while he did seem like he would he could be OK??


He just had to much energy for me. So I spoke to her first and told her she could have the Park and we go around to the other side.

Now in as much as we both out side the Park, I am pretty sure that despite her dog's high level of excitement, it could have worked??

But sigh, it's me! 20 years of ... no other dog's is seriously difficult to over come ... apparently?? So I gave her the front part of the Park and we moved on.

And now the plan was to go around and we could go to the back half of the Dog Park and go into that area?? But as walked the fence line I saw there were two dog's already there so that was not gonna work??

But it did prove to be enlightening nonetheless! Bella is near the fence line and not one but two dog's come near!!! But the one that came near the fence to do a "Nose Sniff" was a Great Pyrenees!! And yeah he was freaking Hugh!!!!

And that dog ... even from behind the fence was "Amazing" with other Dog's!! Very "Rocky like" I must say! He just sniffed Bella a little bit and stood there and that was it! Zero reaction ... absolutely "Neutral." Bella was {I think a bit confused??) And so did not met him with the expected fence aggression?? But instead did a play bow and a quick dart to enlist a response??? And from the other side of the fence with the Pureness ... she got "nothing!!"

Outstanding, I was quite comfortable with that as that is pretty much what Rocky did in the face of tools.

But unfortunately ... I felt I could not go in because the Pyrenees buddy was a little Lapso (thing) that just kept up with the Bark, Bark, Bark bit from a distance admittedly. Most likely he was fine also but to much for me so we moved on.

And no as of yet No E-Collar and also uh No Recall??? I missed up bte2's advise to work for food and instead created a treat monster, my bad??? And at this point my options for training uh any off leash recall ... seem pretty limited??? So yeah Bella is gonna be my first E-Collar trained dog. I don't seem to have any other options at this point???

But moving on and no pictures thus far??? LOL, well that is just me ... I'm kinda lazy and she is kinda hard to get the picture I want to post. A profile shot but it's kinda hard cuz, she is always moving!!


But ... no she is not a "imaginary dog" on my part. Cuz for one, as the saying goes ... "you can't make this crap up!"

So that much said ... here she is. :

 

[Lindar51]

Aww Chip she is a pretty girl. I have been working in my yard with my poodle for recall. Still not good but I take two balls out now with me. He loves to retrieve. So when I throw one he bring it back but stays at a safe distance where he knows I can't touch hi collar . I make he drop the ball he has and I throw the other. We do this small times. I am now getting to where I actually have both and of course then he is right in my face as he says hey give me one. So we o a little work, sit, hell, walk , sit, down, sit walk then I free him and he gets to play, in between this I am touching his collar as if I were going to leash him up. Its slow but I think it i helping. However in an emergency he would still not have any recall. I have to disappear from sight before he will come looking.

 

[chip18]

Hey Chip, not going to help with thorns, but I use Musher's Secret and he goes for a bike ride, beach, and walk everyday and his pads are fantastic except the time I think he stepped on glass or something.

Yeah the Goat heads can be a PIA! But I haven't had that issue in awhile??

Right now my biggest concern at our Dog Park (usually we are the only dog there) and on walks with a long leash ... sigh.

Is her habit of "LOOKING" for Rattle Snakes!!! Any place they are likely to be is where she likes to put her face!!!

It's winter now so the danger is most likely low?? But next year she is going to a "Rattle Snake Aversion Class!" Stupid dog ....

Rocky was much smarter, we only had one area around with high grass where Rattler's could be??? And when Rocky and I would go in there, he'd step aside and let me take point!

LOL ... not a stupid dog ie if you wanna go that way??? You can lead.

But the Musher's yeah I was gonna start using that, as with snow and ice covered sidewalks, everybody uses "Ice Melt." And I was worried about that stuff on his paws???

 

[chip18]

Aww Chip she is a pretty girl. I have been working in my yard with my poodle for recall. Still not good but I take two balls out now with me. He loves to retrieve. So when I throw one he bring it back but stays at a safe distance where he knows I can't touch hi collar . I make he drop the ball he has and I throw the other. We do this small times. I am now getting to where I actually have both and of course then he is right in my face as he says hey give me one. So we o a little work, sit, hell, walk , sit, down, sit walk then I free him and he gets to play, in between this I am touching his collar as if I were going to leash him up. Its slow but I think it i helping. However in an emergency he would still not have any recall. I have to disappear from sight before he will come looking.

We do the ball thing. And while she is still not that great at "Drop It," she will do the "Heel Flip" and can't "focus" that well on sitting and keeping the ball! So I can pry it out without much effort.

And yeah "recall" in the yard in a distraction free environment works. But that is as far as it goes! No chance of any control out and about and there is also the unexpected at times arrival of Motorcycles for god's sake???

My stick saved her the first time month's ago. And I had forgotten she could/would do that?? And on another longer walk I had her by my side on a short leash and a bike came around the corner where we standing and she tried again???? Stupid dog. :crazyeye:

 

[TheBoxerPrincess]

Yeah sigh, the difference between 7 months and a year is "apparently" much greater then I realizes???



And I have to say "Hybrid" that she is ... the one thing "Bella is showing is why "GSD" first owner's don't tend to have a lot of time or patience for "Boxers!" IE ... I don't have the time or patience for this kinda crap!!!



And Bella thus far seems to be determined to exhibit both the best and worst and best characteristic of both Breeds! As she does seem to luv people?? But she is just so over top the top obnoxious, ... I don't even try, to let her meet anyone!



Now we did have a very interesting day at the Dog Park today ... uh kinda. Dog's were there so we did not go in ... off course. There was a lady coming in with a Little Poodle, and while he did seem like he would he could be OK??





He just had to much energy for me. So I spoke to her first and told her she could have the Park and we go around to the other side.



Now in as much as we both out side the Park, I am pretty sure that despite her dog's high level of excitement, it could have worked??



But sigh, it's me! 20 years of ... no other dog's is seriously difficult to over come ... apparently?? So I gave her the front part of the Park and we moved on.



And now the plan was to go around and we could go to the back half of the Dog Park and go into that area?? But as walked the fence line I saw there were two dog's already there so that was not gonna work??



But it did prove to be enlightening nonetheless! Bella is near the fence line and not one but two dog's come near!!! But the one that came near the fence to do a "Nose Sniff" was a Great Pyrenees!! And yeah he was freaking Hugh!!!!



And that dog ... even from behind the fence was "Amazing" with other Dog's!! Very "Rocky like" I must say! He just sniffed Bella a little bit and stood there and that was it! Zero reaction ... absolutely "Neutral." Bella was {I think a bit confused??) And so did not met him with the expected fence aggression?? But instead did a play bow and a quick dart to enlist a response??? And from the other side of the fence with the Pureness ... she got "nothing!!"



Outstanding, I was quite comfortable with that as that is pretty much what Rocky did in the face of tools.



But unfortunately ... I felt I could not go in because the Pyrenees buddy was a little Lapso (thing) that just kept up with the Bark, Bark, Bark bit from a distance admittedly. Most likely he was fine also but to much for me so we moved on.



And no as of yet No E-Collar and also uh No Recall??? I missed up bte2's advise to work for food and instead created a treat monster, my bad??? And at this point my options for training uh any off leash recall ... seem pretty limited??? So yeah Bella is gonna be my first E-Collar trained dog. I don't seem to have any other options at this point???



But moving on and no pictures thus far??? LOL, well that is just me ... I'm kinda lazy and she is kinda hard to get the picture I want to post. A profile shot but it's kinda hard cuz, she is always moving!!





But ... no she is not a "imaginary dog" on my part. Cuz for one, as the saying goes ... "you can't make this crap up!"



So that much said ... here she is. :

She looks great!

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Bella is a very cute girl!

 

[chip18]

Well since I started this thread with my mayor freak out over training "Down." In which I will add I broke the first rule of "I just got a rescue what do I do???"

Had I actually followed this advise.:
https://stickydogblog.com/2012/10/11/i-just-got-a-rescued-dog-what-do-i-do/

Which uh "obviously" I was well aware of ... I'd have never started this thread. But hey live and learn (hopefully??) On the other hand ... she does know and will "Down" verbally or with hand signals and today ... it's no big deal. But it was not a good start admittedly ... so my bad.

Early success did come easy. With only a couple of minor bump's, with the Cat's as I had four at the (time) Bob has made it inside now (sorta.) She went from being Crated for 8 to 12 hours a day ... to free roaming, in the bed and up on the furniture ... just like a "Real Boxer!"

Well since I started this thread with my mayor freak out over training "Down." In which I will add I broke the first rule of "I just got a rescue what do I do???" But I got it done so smooth sailing from here?? But uh "not so much??" Open desert and 15 years of dog's that came when called?? Is kinda what I was used to and what I expect??? And with Bella ... that was not gonna happen anytime soon?? Without some real work???

And with my quite successful turn around with Rocky (formerly Human Aggressive WL GSD) and my Cat Rehab ability ... I kinda thought, I knew it all or at least all that I needed to know?? :chair:

But suddenly "my" absolutely, No Recall, I don't give a crap about you, outdoors and off leash, LOL, Bella proved otherwise??

As with the trainers I tend to follow, I had something else in common with them that I had overlooked?? Cuz in fact I had only trained ONE, off leash open desert dog and not four as I thought??


And ... all the Pro's have there "working dog/pet's" to help them with there work! And losing that "Dog!" Can impact there work?? So you know "Pro's" groom a replacement before it's to late?? I'm not that smart?? I lost Gunther then Struddell then Rocky and I found myself ... on my own and well kinda lost without a "Buddy" to help me with Bella???

And so 19 years since Gunther and 9 years since he passed?? And three years since Rocky (last dog standing.) I found myself on my own and "now" with the wrong "Skill Set??" More of a "Behaviorist" then a "Dog Trainer??"

So yeah ... but as I said, I think??? Today was a great Day!! But hey this is long enough so part two to follow.

 

[CynBoxerMom]

And that dog ... even from behind the fence was "Amazing" with other Dog's!! Very "Rocky like" I must say! He just sniffed Bella a little bit and stood there and that was it! Zero reaction ... absolutely "Neutral." Bella was {I think a bit confused??) And so did not met him with the expected fence aggression?? But instead did a play bow and a quick dart to enlist a response??? And from the other side of the fence with the Pureness ... she got "nothing!!"

Outstanding, I was quite comfortable with that as that is pretty much what Rocky did in the face of tools.



So that much said ... here she is. :

She's a pretty girl. The best way for us to get photos is to have a treat of some sort and they'll sit. Other than that it's only when they are resting...it's like they intentionally know when you want to take a photo and they move....

I think Bandit would have a great time playing with Bella! Not that Jax wouldn't, but Bandit is the crazy 'wide open, come play with me' boxer.

 

[chip18]

She's a pretty girl. The best way for us to get photos is to have a treat of some sort and they'll sit. Other than that it's only when they are resting...it's like they intentionally know when you want to take a photo and they move....

I think Bandit would have a great time playing with Bella! Not that Jax wouldn't, but Bandit is the crazy 'wide open, come play with me' boxer.

Aww thanks! And one of Struddell's coats, (big chest and tiny waist, fit's her like a glove.) My Gunther (Band Dawg) was almost impossible to get a good picture of?? He just seemed to "know" if you were trying and would look away, all the time???

And Bella does seem to play well with other's?? She had a great time with Yellow Lab and a little Yorkie. And met a very nice Chi by accident he was off leash (well trained and well behaved however) and I had Bella "on leash of course ...) and the little guy just walked right on up to meet her???

I had her on a SLL, so she could not have to him anyway but she did fine! She seem's to mirror other dog's??? If there cool she's cool. But if they act an ass?? She'll doubt down on crazy!! I have only seen that behavior once!

When she jumped out of the car??? And got right in another dog's face while I was "trying "to negotiate "Park Entry" with the dog's owner's!

Safely behind the fence she put on a display to out crazy the other dog!!! Those dog's owners were terrified! They would not go near there dog!! Mostly they'd never seen there dog do that before??? But I was just "ticked off!" I scooped her butt off, apologized to the horrified owners and back to the car we went!

But the other dog's we did meet weeks later. The Yorkie unbeknownst to me was already in the Park?? And the Lab guy barged in before I could out! But since Bella could get to the gate to keep them out??? She mellowed the heck out! And had a great time with the yellow lab. The guy also had a Lab/Blood Hound mix! And that dog was Hugh! But he did not want to play with anyone ... he just wanted to stroll around the Dog Park, tracking stuff.

But the Great Pyrenees was amazing! He walked up to the fence and just sniffed and that was it! No craziness or insanity at all. Maybe he thought "well your an odd looking sheep but whatever, have a nice day. Very Rocky like ... I was impressed! And Bella did play and a bounce to greet him, I was stunned?? But another dog was coming in and I could cope with two (The GP's) buddy was away from the fence just barking. But three was over my threshold. Sigh I should have asked when they would be back and try for a "hookup" and maybe a walk??

But that is "outside of my comfort zone, still. Sigh but 18 year's of "No Other Dog's" (With rare exceptions) is hard to break ... apparently?? But hey if your gonna go to Dog Park's ... despite "my planned avoidance," sooner or later your gonna meet other dog.

But just wading into a Dog Park full of unknown dog's?? Of assorted temperaments and full of "usually" clueless owner's??? I have no idea how people do that?? I'd pass out if I tried to do it.

 

[CynBoxerMom]

But just wading into a Dog Park full of unknown dog's?? Of assorted temperaments and full of "usually" clueless owner's??? I have no idea how people do that?? I'd pass out if I tried to do it.

I used to want to take our boys to a dog park, but now that they are older I'm not so interested. I'd be a wreck with other dogs around too, heck, I don't like sitting in the waiting room at the vet with them (one or more). My husband or son are usually there too. I'm not so much nervous of what my dogs will do, as we have a pretty good idea, but I don't know what the other dogs- or owners will do.

As many of us know, other owners don't always do a good job of controlling their dogs based on their personalities, or just to be respectful.

Bella sounds like she's a fun girl...who knows...maybe you'll get her a brother in the future....I don't see you having two girls at once......other than the cats that is.

 

[TheBoxerPrincess]

I used to want to take our boys to a dog park, but now that they are older I'm not so interested. I'd be a wreck with other dogs around too, heck, I don't like sitting in the waiting room at the vet with them (one or more). My husband or son are usually there too. I'm not so much nervous of what my dogs will do, as we have a pretty good idea, but I don't know what the other dogs- or owners will do.



As many of us know, other owners don't always do a good job of controlling their dogs based on their personalities, or just to be respectful.



Bella sounds like she's a fun girl...who knows...maybe you'll get her a brother in the future....I don't see you having two girls at once......other than the cats that is.

I may have missed it. What happens with two female Boxers in one house?

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They say a lot of people have problems when there are two female boxers in the house because of dominance issues. I have heard that a lot, I have never tried it I have always had the opposite sexes. I did however when my friend got a new boxer watch her female boxer puppy with my adult female and they remained friends and no fighting while my friends dog played with her or stayed with us while her Mom was on vacation but I guess that was a temporary situation. I have heard a lot more people keep more than one male I wish I knew that worked for sure I know where there is a little boy boxer I really like but it would be terrible to get a puppy and get attached and then find out they did not get along. But I have heard a lot of bad stories about the girls.

 

[chip18]

I may have missed it. What happens with two female Boxers in one house?

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Well it is not so much that you missed it?? As much as it does not appear to have happened here??? Since I have been here anyway. 2013 I think. But three words, Inter-female Aggression and Female Boxer's are at the top of the list!

And how bad can that be ... well if you deal with a competent Boxer Rescue, they won't let you have a Female Boxer if there is already a Female Boxer in the home! Period end of discussion. Other "Breed" of female maybe, depends on owner experience???

I've never dealt with that "specifically" but I did get to see "why" that is Standard Boxer Rescue Policy. And let me preface that sigh, due to lack of knowing what I had when I added, my uh Dominate Male "High Rank Drive" WL GSD (and that is a GSD, thing apparently??)

With Struddell and Gunther (well trained) Dominate Male Band Dawg, and "not" realizing that two dog's are a pair and three dog's are a pack??? And combing that with "loose structure" in the home (and seven months later another GSD thing, to the unaware??? I had lit a fuse??

And one day "out of the blue???" Rocky cut loose on Gunther??? And it was "always" Rocky that started it!! And when you have 85 lbs of Band Dawg and 113 lbs of Wl GSD, cut loose in your living room?? It makes for a lot of .. excitement!! I had to deal with that crap five times while I struggled to figure it out??? I wound going to the ER for stitches and still have a permanently bent little finger. But thanks to Gunther's training and discipline. I still have the use of my right hand! Cuz on one occasion, when I was trying to get Rocky off of Gunther (I told him Down) and he did but Rocky, not so much?? And in trying to get Rocky off Gunther my hand slipped as shouted Down and wound up in Gunther's jaw's!! I remember thinking ... this is gonna hurt!! But even with 113 lbs of WL GSD on his back! Gunther felt my flesh and let go?? And I was then able to stop Rocky again!!! Five times I had to deal with Rocky's crap!!! :chair:

So that is by way of background. That's just say I have lot's of experience with "Dog's Gone Wrong??" As I like to say, "been there done that got the stitches." :cry_baby:

But despite, that crap. And back on point, it paled in comparison to the display of "Blind Fury" my Struddell put on, when I "F'd" up and put both my dog's in harm's way??? It went down like this.:
https://www.boxerforums.com/1989228-post48.html

And Gunther simple wanted to get the "Heck out of Dodge!" IE let "Daddy deal with this crap!!" So I was just dealing with one Berserk Dog, and not "two!!" Now imagine a "Rescue Boxer" female that started that or the Resident Female Boxer, not caring much for her new house mate?? That Rescue would be lucky if they got there Boxer back?? So now stated Boxer rescue policy, is to "just say no, to two female Boxer's" in the same home!

And I don't have any first hand experience with "two female Boxer's," in the same home?? But I am well aware of the "potential" for it to go ..."sideways??" And "lesson learned" from Rocky, "Formal Obedience Training,
does not fix "Behavioral Issues." I learned that one the "Hard Way," from Rocky.

But hey people do stuff and I think on here there was someone that said he had four Female Boxer's and had no issue's. I don't doubt it, cuz as I want to say "There is always that Guy or Girl??"

 

[chip18]

I have heard a lot more people keep more than one male I wish I knew that worked for sure I know where there is a little boy boxer I really like but it would be terrible to get a puppy and get attached and then find out they did not get along. But I have heard a lot of bad stories about the girls.

Well any dog's can get into it, just because they are dog's. And if they happen to be two female's?? That could look like "Inter Female Aggression??"

The level of intensity would be different however?? Males fight to breed, Females fight to Breath!" And it (Inter Female Aggression) is usually seen in females that live in the same household. If the other dog is just a guest?? That's "usually" not a big deal??

And setting aside the rescue situation, with a shorter then two week fallout possible?? With Females it can be as long as two year's before an "issue" if there is one?? Becomes fully apparent???

And if trouble is brewing?? There are usually sign's before the blow up?? But most dog owner's miss those sign's?? I know (now) that I did. So Rocky's blow up was not really "Out of the Blue??" Live and (hopefully learn.)

But generally speaking, if you already have a Male and a Female Boxer?? Certainly "No One" who knows "ANYTHING" would say get a girl??? Male dog's as a general rule are "easier!"

And I suppose if you follow my tales of Rocky?? And my two Dominate Male dogs and the uh "issues" that ensued?? One could conclude, that perhaps, two males are not a good idea either?? But nope that is not "exactly" correct either?? The issue's had less to do with "Two Male" dog's and more to do with "Wrong Breed" and a lack of understanding and experience, in what I now had "with my big furry Puppy with a pointy face??" That was the "extend" of my knowledge with GSD's???

And while I was not a dog newbie, my former Dog Aggressive Band Dawg, became my best puppy raiser ever! And my first male, APBT/BOXER and Hedi (Saddly for a very short time ...) and then Struddell. Were all well trained well behave great dog's!

The one thing I did not realize with all of them was ... that Bully Breed's are "low Rank Drive Dog's??" . And that means, there social standing in the "Pack Order," is good with them! When I added "unwittingly??" Dog number three, a "High Rank Drive" WL GSD to my pack? The fuse was lit?? And combing that with the standard ... "Boxer/Bully" loose Structure in the home?? It was just a matter of time till the crap hit the fan! :cry_baby:

At the time, I had no idea what the heck was going on?? I only found out long after the fact, while trying to figure out how I had solved the people issue, seemingly without much effort?? And I found this ... you can scroll down to "Rank Drive."

https://www.germanshepherdguide.com/temperament.html

Now typically with "Boxer's" you won't see that (High Rank Drive)?? But I had no idea at the time, what Rank Drive was?? And for the most part "High Rank Drive Dog's" will tend to be "PIA's" in a multi dog household?? With an average member of JQP?? IPO/LE/PPD folks are all aware of "Drive's in dog's" And "Drive" in dog's is kinda why I tend to a PIA about the Euro Boxer's??

As well as being smaller ... then American Line Boxer's ... the assorted drive's were tamped down to create the Al Boxer's. Which is why looking for an American Line Boxer in LE, is like looking for a Unicorn! I've only found one and that was 9 years ago! I've never found another??

Well long post ...yet again?? But just to say, don't get "My" male dog "issue's" confused with Boxer's. As long as your other dog's are basically well trained and well behaved?? You'll be fine with adding a another Male Boxer!

And Rocky my Wl GSD ... long hard journey but we got over it! And (I've told the story before) one day when I slipped on the ice and went down, while trying to shield him from two charging dog's, and fully expected to get a "Belly full of teeth??" By the one that did not stop?? Cuz that dog was still not gonna by me!! Rocky stepped up unbid and made that dog reconsider his life choice's!! And he flat disappeared??? I was freaking stunned!!! So I get Wl GSD's and I am a fan for life but it's best if you know what your doing with those guy's as they don't bare fools well. :clap2:

 

[chip18]

I used to want to take our boys to a dog park, but now that they are older I'm not so interested. I'd be a wreck with other dogs around too, heck, I don't like sitting in the waiting room at the vet with them (one or more). My husband or son are usually there too. I'm not so much nervous of what my dogs will do, as we have a pretty good idea, but I don't know what the other dogs- or owners will do.

As many of us know, other owners don't always do a good job of controlling their dogs based on their personalities, or just to be respectful.

Bella sounds like she's a fun girl...who knows...maybe you'll get her a brother in the future....I don't see you having two girls at once......other than the cats that is.

Well my plan was "another" White Boxer Girl! But since Bella is not a Bob, that plan for the most part is now "flushed!!" And it's not like I don't Male dog's?? But PIA that she was (at time's) I like the Boxer Girl's Cuz you know ... they are indeed different??

But Dog Park's, in general?? And dog "newbie's??" I advocate "Just say NO!!" My heart bleed's, for Boxer/Dog owner's that take there new puppy to a Dog Park and it get's mauled!!! That does and can happen!! And just imagine as a new dog/puppy owner, it happening to your new dog?? And you have "No Idea??" That is even a possibility??

That just "add's" an additional layer of trauma, on a new dog owner! So
it is just best to say "NO" to Dog Parks!

And that is advise by every "serious" Dog Trainer that I tend to post. Jeff Gellman, for one will tell people up front, if they plan on "Dog Parking" there dog?? He won't take them as clients! But hey if one is a "Pro" then Dog Park's are great for Business! If your Dog was not "Dog Aggressive" one bad Dog Park experience and he could be!

Nonetheless and being fully aware of "Potential Danger??" And sigh with my "No Recall Bella??" I found myself being forced to "Dog Park" her?? Cuz if I did not?? She could "never run free??"

But I know that stuff! And with lot's of trepidation and still doing the best I could to "avoid other Dog's!" Bella and I ventured into a Dog Park?? And in so doing?? As of a few day's ago and combined with a few session's of "Sit on the Dog??" I discovered, I was "Training a Recall??"

And while what I am doing is most certainly "Not a How to on training recall!" At all ... I appear to be getting that result??? I was stunned???

As Bella had made me realize that I was more of a "Behaviorist" then a "Dog Trainer??" So yeah ... those discipline are quite different?? And as much as "Behavior Modification" can take more "time" than "Dog Training??" Behaviorist can be quite expensive ... who knew??

But hey .. realizing that I uh "sucked" at dog training?? Cuz, you know, no leash and no confinement and I had "nothing?? So I just quit trying?? And I started "Dog Parking" with no expectations of changing "anything??"

But "Apparently" and with uh "Zero Awareness" of any "behavioral changes"
with PIA, No Recall Bella?? I was in fact "changing her "off leash behavior??"

And those changes "finally" became "Crystal Clear" to me about a "week or two ago!"

 

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Thats great Chip, hey we try anything. Now if I have the poodle loosen my yard (fenced) he will come when called except when I have thrown the ball and he then says why?? So now I take two an when he drops one and I'm ready to throw the other I call him to me. He is getting the idea if he comes he gets to play more . I'm working on a way now for when we come back indoors, it like I'm a fun vacuum to him. So coming inside needs to be fun too but I haven't found anything that is more fun than running wild outside fetching a ball. Yesterday I think he leaped 5 ft in the air to catch it on a fly. I'm afraid though he could get hurt as he almost fell one of the times so not quite so high, lol. Too bad this guy isn't food motivated at all. Ive tried meatballs, chicken, fish, so ar its just not the same as a ball.