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You said, “The female has never really liked other dogs but...” likely an indicator there, but I also agree she may have more going on if her behavior toward you has changed.
when we added a new male boxer puppy to our 10 year old boxer female, he would often challenge her for dominance and she would always put him in his place (nothing aggressive). Kekoa was 3 1/2 and long time neutered by the time Kalani passed, but he knew she was dominant over him even as she slowed with age and of course we only reinforced that along the way. What may have been different was she always lived with at least 1, usually more boxers in the household.

Just curious what is your boy mixed with? I only ask because unless I missed something we don’t have black boxers. I do tease our cat that he thinks he’s a black boxer since he’d always had boxer housemates.
 

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You said, “The female has never really liked other dogs but...” likely an indicator there, but I also agree she may have more going on if her behavior toward you has changed.
when we added a new male boxer puppy to our 10 year old boxer female, he would often challenge her for dominance and she would always put him in his place (nothing aggressive). Kekoa was 3 1/2 and long time neutered by the time Kalani passed, but he knew she was dominant over him even as she slowed with age and of course we only reinforced that along the way. What may have been different was she always lived with at least 1, usually more boxers in the household.

Just curious what is your boy mixed with? I only ask because unless I missed something we don’t have black boxers. I do tease our cat that he thinks he’s a black boxer since he’d always had boxer housemates.
I believe his dog is a sealed brindle. They are purebred
 

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The older dog was crate trained for the first year until she didn’t need to be anymore, the little guy is crate trained also. Has no problem going in there, sometimes he goes in there for naps with the door open. We did have the vet do bloodwork and the lab is doing a biopsy on the tumor that was moved. Still waiting on the results. The vet is saying that pulmonary results show nothing wrong, my wife swears that something is off with her. When we go to pet her she will pin her ears back and just look uncomfortable.
And yes both dogs had puppy training. Both actually listen very well, will sit & stay before eating, the puppy acts perfect on walks, stops at street crossings With just verbal commands, when he sees other dogs he minds well, the older dog although listens well at home does not on walks, if we come across another dog she pretty much flips out every time she sees another dog.
I am going to give you an answer you might not like but will let you keep both of your dogs. My cuz had an issue like this with his 2 pits he separates them by using baby gates you put on doors. It works really well and dogs dont mind at all they both have there own space. my boxer is very territorial that might be what your girls going through mine is 10. I definitely would never get rid of one you can make it work
 

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I believe his dog is a sealed brindle. They are purebred
Yep ... Sealed Brindle's look almost Black. It's hard to get photo's of them but if you do ... you can see the brown underneath and the black strip's, at the right ngle and in the right light. We have at least a couple of them on here. :)
 

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Yep ... Sealed Brindle's look almost Black. It's hard to get photo's of them but if you do ... you can see the brown underneath and the black strip's, at the right ngle and in the right light. We have at least a couple of them on here. :)
Oh I know, Zuke thinks they taste like chicken......;)

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I am going to give you an answer you might not like but will let you keep both of your dogs. My cuz had an issue like this with his 2 pits he separates them by using baby gates you put on doors. It works really well and dogs dont mind at all they both have there own space. my boxer is very territorial that might be what your girls going through mine is 10. I definitely would never get rid of one you can make it work
Baby Gates and you put on door's?? What are you saying here exactly?? Cuz a typical Baby Gate ... is well a Joke? as a "permanent solution? A Hard Core Boxer can bounce over it in a single bound! And the few APBT ... I have had could go thru it, ... if they chose to. :)

But are these two females or two males?? It makes a difference in the level of ... animosity one can expect to see?? But yeah what ever one can do to keep both safe ... is "Always Good!"

But ... it is "Possible," with a lot of work (I believe) to do a bit better. Dog's living in the same household have no requirement to "Like Each Other??" But they do have a requirement to "Get Alone!"

You have to train "Calmness," into the Dog's! And well yeah, pretty much change how you live with the dog's day to day. Thje DOg's really don't give a crap about the changes?? It's the Dog owner's that tend to have an Issue, with "Changed Expectatios??" IE I added another Dog and I "Expected," to change "Nothing," in what I do and how I live with my dog's?? Sometimes ... it works out that way. And sometimes ... not so much??

It's what "One Does," that separates those that can from those that can't??? Been there done that ... got the stitches! :(


But "Crap worked out fine in the long run!! :)
 

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I had a sealed brindle too I love them! He was one of the best dogs
Aw, see Sealed Brindle's are a PIA to Photo! He, in that Photo ... looks almost Black with a hint of Brown?? Beautiful Dog nonetheless. :)
 

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Oh I know, Zuke thinks they taste like chicken......;)

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LO well I don't know what he taste like?? But in that photo at that angle, you can see hint's of Brown in his coat. And why they are can be a "PIA," at Doggy Day Care! IE ... this crap is normal?? :)

And sigh ... I would assume that it is a photo of Boxer's being good dog's! And that would be why Boxer's are first in line to be thrown out of "most," Doggy Day Care's and the GSD owner's are next up. :)
 

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LO well I don't know what he taste like?? But in that photo at that angle, you can see hint's of Brown in his coat. And why they are can be a "PIA," at Doggy Day Care! IE ... this crap is normal?? :)

And sigh ... I would assume that it is a photo of Boxer's being good dog's! And that would be why Boxer's are first in line to be thrown out of "most," Doggy Day Care's and the GSD owner's are next up. :)
lol yeah, that was after they both got tired and laid down, but Lacey couldn't leave him alone.
 

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lol yeah, that was after they both got tired and laid down, but Lacey couldn't leave him alone.
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Well yeah we get it. But your average Day Care?? Unless one of the Care taker's, just happens to be a Boxer owner?? Boxer's doing what they tend to do?? Tend's, to sound and look like, a "Dog Fight in Progress??" IE, If you not moving fast and making a lot of noise ... your not having fun. :)

Now we tend, to take that "crazy" as a given?? But yeah I suppose it could freak most people out?? :)
 

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We’ve got a six-year-old female, Nollie & about eight months ago we added an 8 week old male puppy - Pumbaa. Both dogs have been fixed. So the little guy is now 10 months old, over the last few weeks they have gotten into five pretty bad fights, they’ve pretty much escalated and gotten worse every time with the last one resulting in stitches for Nollie. It’s really weird because they had a really great bond and have been best friends for the last six months. Around the same time with the fights started it was discovered that she had a cyst or actually turned out to be a non-cancerous tumor on her leg down near her paw. We ended up having that removed about 10 days ago so she is recovering. We’ve been keeping the dogs separate for eating and sleeping and actually most of the day. We’ve gotten them together here & there very carefully and there had been no issues until today. The little guy licked her on the face, kind of gave her a kiss and then laid down next to her, as soon as he laid down she tried to attack him again. We were able to pull them apart without any damage. How do we get back to where we were? The vet is telling us we’re doing something wrong and is suggesting a trainer and giving Nollie fairly heavy doses of sedatives, which she says are going to be long term. The female has never really liked other dogs but it sure seems like something is especially off with her right now, you can see it in her face, She really doesn’t want me to pet her shit and she wants to be on her own, regularly leaves the rest of the family and lays down in another room by herself which she never really did before. I don’t want to get rid of either of these dogs, I don’t know what to do but I know I don’t have money for tons more medication and dog training. Any ideas?
I had a very similar experience minus the surgery. Although frowned upon, the shock collier worked very well on my female since she was the aggressor. I would definitely give her a warning beep or a vibration first. Amazingly, I have harmony once again. I would definitely give it a try before I removed either of my dogs. Just for some back ground info, my American bulldog is a 90+ pound male and my female is an 85 pound boxer full of serious attitude (both fixed). So I definitely understand how vicious and stressful these fights can be. Good luck and I hope it returns to normal.
 

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I want to share my situation because I have something similar going on. We got our male puppy a little over a year ago. Everything was great! We had two other boxers, a one year old female and a 5 year old special needs male. Everything was great at first and then our female tore her CCL. She had surgery and is fully recovered but now she has started losing her eyesight. It hasn't been diagnosed yet (the specialist we want to see doesn't come to our area right now because of COVID), but we think that it is Retinal Degeneration. The biggest sign is her pupils being dilated when they shouldn't and her tapetum lucidum is almost always showing even when the lights are on. Anyway...

She is 2 years old now and he is a little over a year old. We noticed a drastic personality change in her when she started losing her eyesight. She gets really aggressive with the male when they want the same toy. She can't see when he takes it so if she loses it and he darts for it, she just starts snapping. Luckily my husband and I are able to break up the fights when they happen and no one has been seriously injured (yet). When we are not home he is crated and she is in a separate room. It is heart breaking but I just want you to know that I believe that there is something wrong with your female. I knew there was something wrong with my girl before we knew about her losing her eyesight because she was just more nervous. I would have the vet check your female's eyes? Maybe that's what is making her so nervous and snappy? Good luck and I hope you can figure out something that helps you to keep them both.
 

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I want to share my situation because I have something similar going on. We got our male puppy a little over a year ago. Everything was great! We had two other boxers, a one year old female and a 5 year old special needs male. Everything was great at first and then our female tore her CCL. She had surgery and is fully recovered but now she has started losing her eyesight. It hasn't been diagnosed yet (the specialist we want to see doesn't come to our area right now because of COVID), but we think that it is Retinal Degeneration. The biggest sign is her pupils being dilated when they shouldn't and her tapetum lucidum is almost always showing even when the lights are on. Anyway...

She is 2 years old now and he is a little over a year old. We noticed a drastic personality change in her when she started losing her eyesight. She gets really aggressive with the male when they want the same toy. She can't see when he takes it so if she loses it and he darts for it, she just starts snapping. Luckily my husband and I are able to break up the fights when they happen and no one has been seriously injured (yet). When we are not home he is crated and she is in a separate room. It is heart breaking but I just want you to know that I believe that there is something wrong with your female. I knew there was something wrong with my girl before we knew about her losing her eyesight because she was just more nervous. I would have the vet check your female's eyes? Maybe that's what is making her so nervous and snappy? Good luck and I hope you can figure out something that helps you to keep them both.
Going blind at two?? OK, that suck's big time! And she made have been losing her vision for a bit longer than you realize?? Hint the early on nervousness?? And you only noticed, when it became more apparent?? Still as much as this would suck (my dog going blind??) In the big picture ... there are worst thing's that could happen ... you know for what that's worth. You do have "our," sympathy in any case, and again for what that's worth ...

Moving on ... in my limited observation as a general rule Boxer's are not a particularly empathic, Breed?? With people sure but with house mate's that have "issue's??" Sometimes not so much???
My Pack fighting Human Aggression WL GSD was also a "Special Need's Dog," he had Wobbler's/Ataxia. He was a Monster Straight On, but Struddell figured out that if she would spin, dodge and then hop on his back ... he'd go down like a Weeble! "Hey, this is great fun!! I was not amused!!

This is not a "Dog's," in conflict tale here. As Rocky and Struddell "adored," each other. But I did have to teach her to ... "Dial it Down!"

Now the easy way would be off course to just not let them rough house in the yard! But I did not want to do that?? So Rocky still took a few more unnecessary tumble's, while I worked on Stru's, issue! Fairly simple as she was "trained," with the "No!" As an actual command.

So I could let them play and I wait for the "spin," and I'd say "No Before the hop!!" She got it and she stopped doing that. The actual knock him down bit. I tend to thing that she learned to become more empathetic?? :)

Right now your guy pretty much lack's "empathy??" All he "see's" with the dropped toy. Is a situation he can take advantage of ??? Your girl's world is changing and she has no idea what is going on or who to trust?? Now you think that would not be an issue?? But "just trust me here," it can and maybe??

I think ... I can help?? But first of course ... just keep doing what your doing to keep them safe! I am not a "Pro," so I can't say ... "you can expect X," result in 3 week's time???

I'm just a "Pet Person," and for me "Behavior Modification," takes however long it takes?? My dog is mine for life, so "change takes," however long it takes. But I can say we are talking several week's or month's here and not year's so there is that. :)

And I tend, to not try and "Correct the issue," out of a Dog out the gate. Unless of course it's a behavior that could get them killed! Aside from that, you won't need E-collar's, Prong Collar's or other tool's. (Hmm well, a drag leash, on both dog's inside (a short leash with no handle to get caught up on furniture and yeah a Dominate Dog Collar on both Dog's just in case but that's gonna be down the road..) But to start all, you need is "Time and Patience," and the Ability "To Walk Your Dog." :)

I can keep going if you like?? And yeah sorry your dealing with this, hopefully when you can get to the vet there will be some good new's??
 

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I think ... I can help?? But first of course ... just keep doing what your doing to keep them safe! I am not a "Pro," so I can't say ... "you can expect X," result in 3 week's time???

I'm just a "Pet Person," and for me "Behavior Modification," takes however long it takes?? My dog is mine for life, so "change takes," however long it takes. But I can say we are talking several week's or month's here and not year's so there is that. :)

And I tend, to not try and "Correct the issue," out of a Dog out the gate. Unless of course it's a behavior that could get them killed! Aside from that, you won't need E-collar's, Prong Collar's or other tool's. (Hmm well, a drag leash, on both dog's inside (a short leash with no handle to get caught up on furniture and yeah a Dominate Dog Collar on both Dog's just in case but that's gonna be down the road..) But to start all, you need is "Time and Patience," and the Ability "To Walk Your Dog." :)

I can keep going if you like?? And yeah sorry your dealing with this, hopefully when you can get to the vet there will be some good new's??

So things have been actually getting better. Astrid (my female) started losing her eyesight about 5-ish months ago. She can still see some, it's been a gradual loss as far as we can tell. She seems to be adjusting to it with the exception of the fights over toys. She's not as nervous as she was when we first noticed something wrong. She just gets frustrated with Ivan (the young pup). I kind of know what I need to do with Ivan, I just have been kind of lazy to be honest. He needs some brain work. He's a very smart dog and gets bored very easily. Sometimes I think he picks on Astrid just for entertainment.

I was really just posting my situation so that I could tell them that I think that something could be wrong with their female.
 

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So things have been actually getting better. Astrid (my female) started losing her eyesight about 5-ish months ago. She can still see some, it's been a gradual loss as far as we can tell. She seems to be adjusting to it with the exception of the fights over toys. She's not as nervous as she was when we first noticed something wrong. She just gets frustrated with Ivan (the young pup). I kind of know what I need to do with Ivan, I just have been kind of lazy to be honest. He needs some brain work. He's a very smart dog and gets bored very easily. Sometimes I think he picks on Astrid just for entertainment.

I was really just posting my situation so that I could tell them that I think that something could be wrong with their female.
Oh most definitely ... something could be off with there girl, ... no doubt!

And yeah I get the "kinda lazy thing??" Since, I have only one dog now ... just Bella. I don't have to worry about "pack fight's??" And the "Cat Thing," was the one issue, I had to solve ... "right freaking now!"

I don't have cat issue's, now (although one of them is an A-Hole with her, but I train dog's not cat's???) I don't have Human Aggression Issue's?? And she is ... OK on leash. And I managed to do ... just enough, with Recall, that I can let her off leash, ... in a distraction free environment! And call her back ... for the most part. But certtainly not in the open desert!!! :)

And she does walk "reasonably well," enough on leash. But she is most certainly not a Struddell or a Rocky on leash! Sigh, so yeah I got lazy with her?? But hey she is my first "Heel Flip Dog!" I figured out the "Luring and the "proper use of treat's to do that ... so that was cool! :)

But overall, I got pretty "lazy with her??" No Cat Issue's, No Human Aggression and well yeah No Pack Fight's. So she is pretty much a stress free "rescue!" :)

All the thing's I would tell people not to do if they have Dog's with real issue's?? Bella does. She sleep's with me in the bed ... I de-crate trained her?? She get's on the furniture at will and she "Free Roam's the house!

All of those are "Hugh No's!" If you have dog's in conflict! Not to mention the counter surfing ... for the cat bowl's (Bella.) I would have had a cow if my other dog's did that! But hey she always look's at me first to see if it's Ok?? And I usually just sigh, at her and say ... "whatever."

No big deal if I get a Boy Boxer but ... if I were 'foolish enough," to get a another girl?? Crap would have to change ... so yeah. But hey ... if you don't have that as a issue, going after people ... it's easy to relax! 10 year's of always, having to be responsible and on guard ... "all the time," (now it was not an issue for me/us ... but you never forget or relax completely!) A dog that does not have any real issue's kinda makes you "lazy." :)

I do get your point ... ie something off there girl?? But hey your situation is "related," I think??I kinda think your Boy ... is just being a "A Hole??" And yes, keeping them separated is fine?? But do you really want to do that for the next 10 years (hopefully at least.)

Crate and Rotate ... is "Good Enough," for the most part?? But it is possible to do better. "Keeping them separated," they are never going to change?? Dog's have no requirement to "like each," other if they live in the same home. But they do have a "requirement to Respect Each Other. And if they do, then, they can both be in the same room, together. Doing that is the Goal Ultimately.

It is possible, for them to be in the same place/room and "not act like tool's," to each other. But it is a "process," and it does take time. Your situation, is a bit different?? But yes a "health Issue," did cause, the issue, it would seem. But I do believe you can get them both in a better frame of mine, with some change's.

I will get to the "usual mistakes," people make (you don't really count there,) but you know that is where you are now, dog's not getting alone.


But sigh, much like my Struddell and now my Bella, I am "apparently easily distracted???" Sigh I should just do a "New Thread??"
 

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I want to share my situation because I have something similar going on. We got our male puppy a little over a year ago. Everything was great! We had two other boxers, a one year old female and a 5 year old special needs male. Everything was great at first and then our female tore her CCL. She had surgery and is fully recovered but now she has started losing her eyesight. It hasn't been diagnosed yet (the specialist we want to see doesn't come to our area right now because of COVID), but we think that it is Retinal Degeneration. The biggest sign is her pupils being dilated when they shouldn't and her tapetum lucidum is almost always showing even when the lights are on. Anyway...

She is 2 years old now and he is a little over a year old. We noticed a drastic personality change in her when she started losing her eyesight. She gets really aggressive with the male when they want the same toy. She can't see when he takes it so if she loses it and he darts for it, she just starts snapping. Luckily my husband and I are able to break up the fights when they happen and no one has been seriously injured (yet). When we are not home he is crated and she is in a separate room. It is heart breaking but I just want you to know that I believe that there is something wrong with your female. I knew there was something wrong with my girl before we knew about her losing her eyesight because she was just more nervous. I would have the vet check your female's eyes? Maybe that's what is making her so nervous and snappy? Good luck and I hope you can figure out something that helps you to keep them both.
Just thought I would mention since you put this post up I did somewhere read that some anesthetics used on dogs for surgeries can cause blindness you may want to look into that, not much you can do about it now though its sad.
 

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I do get your point ... ie something off there girl?? But hey your situation is "related," I think??I kinda think your Boy ... is just being a "A Hole??" And yes, keeping them separated is fine?? But do you really want to do that for the next 10 years (hopefully at least.)
Oh we don't keep them separated unless we aren't able to be home with them. We only separate them if the situation is escalating-just to give them some time to cool off and then they can be together again fine. I think it's because we don't really make a big deal about the fights. We don't baby one or the other we just make sure they break it up and separate them. No one has been really hurt so far. Ivan is being an "A" Hole but it's not all the time. They do have times when they play nicely together.

Just thought I would mention since you put this post up I did somewhere read that some anesthetics used on dogs for surgeries can cause blindness you may want to look into that, not much you can do about it now though its sad.
Thank you. I had considered that is what caused her blindness because it just seems coincidental that it didn't happen until after the surgery. I noticed her pupils being dilated a lot right after the surgery but just attributed it to her being on the pain killers. I also wondered if the amount of antibiotics that she had to be on when her incision got infected.
 

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Oh we don't keep them separated unless we aren't able to be home with them. We only separate them if the situation is escalating-just to give them some time to cool off and then they can be together again fine. I think it's because we don't really make a big deal about the fights. We don't baby one or the other we just make sure they break it up and separate them. No one has been really hurt so far. Ivan is being an "A" Hole but it's not all the time. They do have times when they play nicely together.
OK ... well it's great that you don't have a full blown Red Alert situation. But it's the Little thing's that owner's never seem to notice?? That one day tend to cause the blow ups, out of the Blue???

It happens "all the time." And it sound's like you can see what the issue is?? It seems to be centered around your girl's toys?? And if your "waiting," for your boy to grow up and stop being an A-Hole?? I doubt that is gonna happen?? Acting mature for there age ... is really not a Boxer trait?? You'll be old and grey, before that happens and odd's, are it still won't?? :)

There is no law, that say's ... dog's have to share there toy's?? People like seeing them do that. But some dog's don't much care for it?? Your girl might not have cared about it much in the pass?? But "Crap Happens," and now she does. You have to have her back, and the simplest solution is to stop allowing him to take her toy's.

And yes saying "No," over and over again gets old?? Dog's default to known trained behavior's and if you don't like what your dog is doing ... Train them to do something else. And what you want to do is "Train them both," to Chill the heck out. And that is "actually a thing." And it look's like this. :

And one your gonna train "The Place Command," and the other ... your gonna do, with both dog's. They can be found here.:

Those thing's train calmness into a dog. They are very old techniques, that have been around forever. And of the two, to me "Sit on the Dog," seemed to be the less useful?? So I asked about it Germanshepard Forum. At the time I asked Bailiff, a Mondo Ring, Mal guy and he is also a "Trainer." He explained it and added ... he has all client's do that with there dog's! Good enough for him, good enough for me to do and recommend.

And for the record ... I'll add that I have been a participant, in thousand's of "Dog's gone wrong thread's!" And in the beginning, I made all the exact same mistake's "everyone else does with my "First Wl GSD?" Pack fight's and Human Aggression after that?? ANd if you don't want, well people hurt or your dog PTS?? You best your get crap together right quick. Worked out fine.

And just an added "observation," noted over the year's. I have still to see a single poster say ... "My Dog is Trained and Place and I did Sit on the Dog and I Walk My Dog," and he is still an unstable A-Hole!!

I will grant that could happen?? But I have not seen it?? I like to keep Crap Simple, myself. So ... for you, well I cut a lot of slack in for "Boxer's??" IE by and large sigh, they all Free Roam Indoors, they all sleep with the owner's in there bed (a few exceptions) few are actually Crated (a few exceptions) and of course they get on the furniture.

If you have a "Blown Dog's Gone Wild," situation?? You can't "allow," any of that crap! ."
But that does not seem to be you are?? So I think ... if you start doing these thing's for real ... and train "Place." And with two dog's that will be the most time consuming. In a month's time ... you will see a difference?? :)
 

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And yes saying "No," over and over again gets old?? Dog's default to known trained behavior's and if you don't like what your dog is doing ... Train them to do something else. And what you want to do is "Train them both," to Chill the heck out. And that is "actually a thing." And it look's like this. :

And one your gonna train "The Place Command," and the other ... your gonna do, with both dog's. They can be found here.:

Those thing's train calmness into a dog. They are very old techniques, that have been around forever. And of the two, to me "Sit on the Dog," seemed to be the less useful?? So I asked about it Germanshepard Forum. At the time I asked Bailiff, a Mondo Ring, Mal guy and he is also a "Trainer." He explained it and added ... he has all client's do that with there dog's! Good enough for him, good enough for me to do and recommend.
The "Place" Command is something that I was interested in trying with my male because he has an over excitement issue (he clobbers me when I get home to the point that he scratches up my arms and we've had some pretty intense moments because of his over excitement). I read a great book called "Fired up, Frantic, and Freaked Out". It is training calmness with "Mat training". So you can use the "Place" command anywhere by using a portable mat. It's just a matter of getting around to doing the training. I just need to buckle down and find time to do it. There is such a long process to desensitize them to things and I guess I'm just unrealistically hoping that he will grow out of it to be honest. He's the 5th boxer we've owned but the first Euroboxer and he's just nuts! He has a working dog's energy for sure.
 
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