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Hey everyone! I am new around this place and I joined mostly because I get tired of searching and searching on the internet for advice and never really get a clear answer. My baby is 10 months old and he is a crazy lovable guy. He has been really healthy but within the last few months has become my allergic child. He has random hive break outs that I have taken him to the vet to numerous of times. They give him a decadron injection and send him on his way. I also have an oral antihistamine that I give him whenever he has a few hives. They do not seem to bother him other than maybe his pride.  So I have also changed his food from Neutro Natural Choice to Hill's Prescription z/d (allergen free).  He loves that food by the way!

Anyway... all that drawn out blah blah blah to get to my real point. I got a disturbing email from my breeder that one of the pups from her recent litter has just been diagnosed with red mange. I have been researching it and it seems no fun at all. Well Bentley (oh yeah I forget to tell his name) has a couple of scaly places on his head that match the description, and without officially diagnosing I would call it the generalized type. He stays pretty itchy... just his head and face. I am calling my vet in the morning to see what we need to do, but I want to try some things to help his immune system also. So I guess my question is... any advice??? Immune boosters?? Supplements??? I have read about maybe flax seed oil... just any help would be great. Keep in mind that I am going to call my vet and I know this can be very expensive to treat, so if I can help my little guy out in any way please let me know!  :)

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I personally havent had to deal with any form of mange with my girls. i know some others here have and hopefully will be able to steer you in a good diretion.
 

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A couple of scaly patches would be localized mange; generalized covers most of the body.  Young pups are often have outbreaks of demodex ("red mange"), both because of their immature immune systems and the many stressors to which they're subjected in a very short time.  (From your post, it sounds as if the pups are not littermates of your dog, but younger ones.  Even if a littermate, 10 months is not an atypical age for a mange outbreak, as that's when the pups are becoming sexual mature and hormones go all wacky.)  Localized demodex typically resolves without treatment, though some cases will progress to generalized.

Here is a good article about demodex:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_de ... mange.html

And one about non-chemical treatment/immune support:
http://www.akitarescue.com/treating%20demodectic.htm

The itching is not typical of demodex, unless there's a secondary skin infection (and that's with generalized, so again hair loss over most of the body), so you do want to keep searching for a cause of his hives/allergies.  (A quick note there - switching to a raw, grain-free diet has been the single most effective way to alleviate allergies I've seen in my experience; the new grain-free kibbles - though I'd recommend a lower-protein one at this age - might be successful, as well, if you're not interested in/able to feed raw.)
 

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Dealing with demodex with Cooper right now. He's 8 months old and we've had him for about a month now.  His infection has cleared up completely so he's not itching anymore.  He's lost quite a bit of hair as the mites have died off and his skin has nearly fully recovered.  His previous owners let it get too far and didn't treat it aggressively enough.  Anyway, Cooper's sister is also suffering from the same issues
 

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Dogs can have an outbreak of Demodectic Mange at any age. I have seen an outbreak as early as 12 weeks and as late as one I am treating now, which is a 14 year old dog, showing its first signs.  So although it is normally seen when they are younger, that is not always the case.

My suggestion would be to have your vet test the "spots" and see if mites are present. There are several good things that can be used on areas that are in just a few spots, one of the most common is goodwinoil ointment.  If it were to become worse and on more areas of the body then a more aggressive route would probably be taken/suggested...such as a dip or possible injections.

You certainly can find articles on not doing anything and letting the dogs nortmal immune system fight it, but this is not always the best approach....I am sure 48Dodge can tell you what it becomes if left untreated, and if not then I can show you some pics of a boxer that had two or three spots that turned into a complete body with no hair in a matter of a few months....

Demodectic mange even in localized areas can also be itchy and this comes from the mites moving around within the hair folicle where they live. It is a live mite and it moves so therefore, yeah it itch's.  That does not mean they will sit and just scratch and dig at themselves all the time, but the scratch will contribute to the hair falling out......They will sometimes treat with medicine to keep the itch down, while treating the mange...I generally use Temeril-P for this....

While true that a low immune is common with an outbreak there are many ways to boost the immune sysytem.  It is finding one that agrees with your dog if he also has allergies....You are right that Flax seed oil is sometimes used. I personally use 3V caps which has worked great with my dog and she also has the best looking coat since I started her on them.....

Good luck and let us know what your vet finds......
 

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The only stupid questions are the one's not asked.. :)

They are a natural dietary supplement containing fish oil, Omega-3 fatty acids and Vitamins A, D & E.  I have found that they work great and Fiona eats them like a treat, however for picky one's you can poke a hole in it and squeeze it on the food....They are OTC products and pretty easy to find along with buying them from your vet.

More Info:

http://www.3vcaps.com
 

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Thanks for all your replies. In my post above I said that I would have self diagnosed it as generalized. Well I meant localized. I guess thats what I get for self diagnosing!  8) I plan on doing everything that I can to help my little guy. When he was about 2 months old he had this little spot on his head that I was told was puppy acne! It got really ugly and scaby. I put some tesaderm that I got from my vet on it and it went away. The spots that he gets now kinda resemble that but not nearly as big. I guess we shall see! Thanks for the advice and I will keep you posted!
 

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If you'd like to see a case of generalized demodex, look at this thread and the one it refers to.
http://www.boxerforums.com/modules.php? ... ght=cooper
When I first got Cooper, I would have guessed it to be more localized, but once the treatment kicked in and his hair started falling out, it was definitely general.  For the itching, it really only lasted a little over a week.  Just kept him clean and gave him benadryl and aspirin twice a day.  But check with your vet before doing anything along those lines.
 

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DUKE01\";p=\"57544 said:
How many do you give her a day?
Depends on the weight....The one fiona takes is the med-large dog size and she takes one a day....If you go to the web site it will tell you the dose for the pills and the liquid...whichever you prefer to use...
 
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