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I have a 10 week old reverse brindle female. I bought her from a reputable local breeder that gave us bloodline papers for mother and father. I got her because i have a 12 year old fancy boxer and she is the perfect dog but is getting old. I got the female so that when my old girl passes i could breed the pup to replace her. The breeder called the other day to inform me that my pups 2 brothers (there were only 3 in the litter) had dies of heart problems and that the entire litter with another female had died after i got my pup and all died from hear problems. The mother has had pups before and never had this problem so they are confident the the male is passing on a recessive gene. Anyway we have talked to a vet and a couple knowledgeable people and they say that as long as she doesnt have a heart murmur than she will more than likely have a long happy life but since she is carrying the recessive gene we should not breed her. My question is should i expect anything back from the breeder as i bought her at full asking price for a healthy dog that i could breed. I have 5 children with 3 being 5 and under and although she has offered to replace the pup out of ner next litter I cannot take this one from my kids. We all lover her and she is a beautiful dog. I am just dissapointed because I looked long and hard for the reverse brindle and wanted to breed her for myself and some family and friends that love the way she looks. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Can you explain why? I was just looking for some guidance. Both the mother and father were tested healthy. They just did not do genitic testing on the mail to determine that he carried a reccessive gene. I was just hoping for some friendly advice on what to do. You can Private message me if that would be better and maybe tell me how i can ask my question to adhere to the rules.
 

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We don't encourage unethical breeding. Breeding your dog just to have another from the same bloodline is not ethical. What will happen to all the other puppies? Are there not enough dogs in shelters being killed every day because someone thought it would be "fun" to breed their dog and sell the puppies?

To be an ethical breeder you have to ensure your dog meets the breed standards by putting in the TIME showing your dog and winning points. You have to get them health tested: heart holter, thyroid, hips, genetic testing - not just an "OK" from your vet. Also, doing the research to determine if any of the dogs in the ancestry had any health problems.

If you haven't done any of this, you are breeding unethically. And if you are breeding unethically, no one is going to answer your questions.
 

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sorry.... i have friends and family that have asked about her since i got her and her puppies would go to them and then she would be spayed. I have no problem with shelter animals i just liked the idea of having them from pups. I grew up with cattle and even had a few of them as pets over the years. This is my first thought of breeding a dog so i do realize i have some things to learn about how and what needs to be done. Maybe you could have taken a little time to educate someone and not seem so blunt and rude. I think I have a valid question and concern and thought that the breeder i got my puppy from was responsible. Genetic testing never occured to me as something to look for.
 

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sorry for getting that. I am just trying to learn. I am not interested in show dogs hence getting the reverse brindle. I dont thing you can show a reverese(I could be wrong) I just wanted to have a good dog to replace my 12 year old boxer that was a rescue. She was abandoned. She has been a perfect dog. I have 5 children 3 of them 5 and under and I dont think I have ever seen a dog with a better tempermant around the kids or more protective of them either. I got this new pup hoping she would learn some from my old girl. If the new pup is half the dog as my old girl then that is why i would want one of her pups. If this is unethical as far as it goes i will just leave this forum and get my information else where. I thought I would be able to learn here to take care of my dogs.
 

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There is a lot of information sharing on here about how to take care of your dogs. For sure that is welcome and discussed all the time.

However, I honestly don't think anyone on here will support you breeding your dog for the reasons that you have mentioned so far. Sorry, just letting you know! There are a lot of people that feel very strongly about this subject on this forum as well.
 

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well i think i am going to just politly bow out of this forum. Although it probably has plenty of useful information. I feel like I am a responsible pet owner and am not looking to breed for a living nor will i let my pets have unwanted litters. I do not want to put up with a bunch of people who are going to look down because i would like to keep a boxer as a pet and not show. Don't have time for it. Nor do I think I would enjoy it. I just like the breed and tempermant of the boxers after having been abound a few. They are good with children and that is my main concern.
 

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It's nothing to do with showing your pet. You missed the point. Most of us own boxers as pets.

Good luck to you. I sincerely hope you do some more research before you breed your pet and hopefully you will change your mind.
 

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Forewarning: i am very blunt. I say it how it has to be said; take no offence. My input: sasasola is right. Also, breeding a dog whose litter mates have died is just plain stupid. Why would you put your pet at risk, AND the puppies she would be carrying?!
By the way you spell, you clearly are not educated enough to carry out the responsibility of over seeing the pregnancy, labor, and delivery of the pups you wish to breed.
If you wish to get another puppy that looks like yours, GO TO A REPUTABLE BREEDER! Learn from this experience! There are more than enough breeders out there that KNOW what they are doing. They do the right tests.
Why would you want a dog that has such health issues? If you are going for looks, talk to a good breeder. Look at the dam and sire.
Markings are second to health. Boxers are notorious for being susceptible to many diseases, and breeders are trying to breed such diseases out. By trying to reproduce a disease ridden dog, you aren't helping-- just being selfish. You clearly don't comprehend that.

If your friends and family want a puppy that looks like yours, there are some out there. Maybe not puppies, but they may need to be rescued. If they want a puppy to look like yours, they can find a reputable breeder. If they aren't willing to shell out the money for a good healthy dog, then they shouldn't have one. Puppies are expensive, they are babies!


On a lighter note: I hope your girl is healthy, and has a long happy life. Please don't put her through that.


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Breeding a dog with known problems is unethical because firstly the poor puppies will have no chance and secondly you're putting the new owners in a position of potential heartache and debt. I am sure there are many other reasons but these two would be what I see personally as the most important. And I am not a breeder!! I am just an owner.

Don't breed this dog, enjoy it as your spayed pet :)


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This is what i was figuring. You ask a question to try and educate your self and you get a key board jockey that has to go and insult people. I just said that because of information I have now I would not be breeding this puppy. She will be spayed at 6 months old when my vet. will do it. I also have a college degree just didn't realize the grammar police were here. I had a simple question but can see now that there are some people who have nothing better to do than insult people that are trying to learn something. If you notice I have not done anything yet just trying to educate myself on what I need to do. Thanks anyway.
 

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I am sorry that I failed to see your question, as it was in the middle of what you were saying.

Being that the question at hand is if you should expect anything from the breeder, I would say yes-- to an extent. In the event that your puppy doesn't make it to a certain agreed upon age, I would say thy you should either get a puppy from a different litter(with a different sire!), or get a full refund. I would just talk to the breeder and ask for some sort of concession. May it be half of your money back, a new puppy, ect. It never hurts to ask!

I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I do not intend to be. I just want the best for you, your children, your puppy, and the breed as a whole.


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By the way. I was provided with clean bill of health on the mother and father of the litter as well as bloodlines. The father had no heart conditions. The only thing that I did not get was a genetic test. Well as it turns out the father did pass on a reccessive gene. I was just wondering what I should do. But after consulting my vet i knew i wasnt going to breed her.
 

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I have not intended on breeding this dog since i got the phone call from the breeder. I was saying what I had intended to do. I will have her spayed as soon she is old enough.
 

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I would expect the breeder to allow you to keep the puppy you already have and also give you a new puppy from a healthy litter..... That is what I would ask for anyhow. That way the children don't have to give up a pet they have grown to love. I doubt the breeder wants this poor baby back.
 

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I would ask the same of the breeder as Brutus Josef says

That or demand that the breeder pays for vet bills as a consequence of their negligent practices :) but I doubt that would fly!!


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As far as expecting anything from the breeder - what is in the contract ?

I am glad you have decided against breeding her, it wouldn't be fair to her, her offspring or any potential owners.

Welcome to the forum from NJ, BTW

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